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34968[S-R] Re: Missing Online 1869 Census Records have restrictions

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  • CurtB
    Jan 3, 2013
      You seem determined not to understand.

      None of the 1869 census records that are in the Presov archive covering the Zemplin territory villages have been approved for online status. They are being reviewed NOW. They are likely to be approved for release. This is NOT a political decision. So far the only Slovak films specifically not released for online status have been films that contain data that exceed Slovak statute of limitations of information of 100 years.
      The Presov archive is very understaffed and has other projects to finish first.

      Each film must be reviewed by the holding archive of the original documents. It took several years for baptismal, marriage, death records to be reviewed and released, and so they appeared online sequentially village by village over several years as indexers carrried out their work. There is still more work to be done here on several villages.

      In the meantime people can still borrow the films already in existence so the data is not being held secret. The only related archives that decline to make anything available except by visit to the archive are a number in Hungary.
      The related archives of the Ukraine and Poland are also entirely unavailable except by personal visit.

      Slovakia is the rare exception among national archives that has made so much data available, but there is still a long way to go because it takes so large financial resources to film or place online such records. The family history library is maintained by the Mormon church which supplied the millions it required to produce the Slovak records online.


      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech wrote:
      > Hello Curt.
      > If the Hungarians have the missing records for some Slovak villages and the
      > Slovaks refuse to give permission to release what they do have on-line then
      > both are acting very childish in my opinion. If the Hungarians don't have
      > the missing records, then, according to the current Slovak policy, no other
      > records under their control will go on-line in the disputed territories.
      > This is not a matter of missing sources. The original question was why
      > Dubvravka is not available online. There was no satisfactory answer except
      > that the physical films are available.
      > For some reason, the Slovaks or Hungarians do not want the Dubravka records
      > to go on-line. Whether this is some kind of Trump card the Slovaks are
      > trying to play makes no sense.
      > Peter M.
      > On 4 January 2013 05:46, CurtB wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > John Q. et alia
      > >
      > > The logic of this is quite simple, though not immediately obvious. The
      > > creation of the online records has proceeded by archive location of the
      > > original because it is individual archives who actuallly give the
      > > permissions to online availability, though they often are dependent on
      > > national government policy. So, Zemplin census records that are located in
      > > certain archives in the Slovak Republic are online - the list is given in
      > > detail in the introduction to the census records in the Family History
      > > library. But records for those villages of that census that are in
      > > Hungarian archives are not. Neither are the villages whose records of that
      > > census are in the Presov archive in Slovakia. The Presov records may give
      > > permission but may not, because the archive is still trying to negotiate
      > > with Hungarian archives to return records for many Slovak villages which
      > > were supposed to have been returned after the Trianon treaty, but were not.
      > >
      > > The Hungarian government claims not to have such records, but some records
      > > of Hungarian archives have been filmed by LDS, e.g., the 1869 records of
      > > Esztergom, which also happen to contain records of two villages now in
      > > Slovakia. This record can also be borrowed in Family History libraries to
      > > see the census of those villages in western Slovakia also.
      > >
      > > The family history catalog indexes only give detailed information in the
      > > index of materials that are actually online. Just like village names are
      > > not listed for records for baptisms, etc. when those villages are not the
      > > primary location, and we are on our own to find out which other village
      > > they are included within.
      > >
      > > Contrary to speculation of some, the village you mentioned, Dubravka, was
      > > not of Hungarian ethnicity. It was and is primarily Rusyn and Greek
      > > Catholic but also a large Slovak population.
      > >
      > > Curt B.
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Here's a strange response from LDS on the subject of 1869 Hungarian
      > > Census films that DO NOT appear online. The logic evades me.
      > > >
      > > > BTW, I used Dubravka, Zemplen Megye as an example in my query.
      > > >
      > > > ******
      > > >
      > > > Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding records from the 1869
      > > Hungary Census, Zemplen that are recorded in the Catalog, but are not yet
      > > available online.
      > > >
      > > > We checked the film and discovered that the record custodians have
      > > restricted film number 722688 from online access at this time. You may
      > > order the film to a nearby FamilySearch Center by following the
      > > instructions in this link:
      > > https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ordering_Microfilm_or_Microfiche.Please be sure to call the FamilySearch Center to assure that they have the
      > > equipment needed to view the film once it comes in.
      > > >
      > > > We hope this information is helpful in your understanding of our
      > > records. We wish you well in the New Year.
      > > >
      > > > Sincerely,
      > > >
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      > > > Research Assistance
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