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33147Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?

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  • slovak821@aol.com
    Jun 2, 2012
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      Me, too. It makes me want to scream.



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      From: helene cincebeaux <helenezx@...>
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:11 pm
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?




      In that same vein i why does it bother me when people say Slovakian instead of Slovak? but it does.

      helene

      --- On Fri, 6/1/12, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

      > From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?
      > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 8:30 PM
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      > Ron,
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      > Our people used Slovak [Sloh-vahk] but in later years when
      > I traveled around among Slovaks here it disturbed me when
      > people use Slovak [Sloh-vehk].
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      > S Panem Bohom,
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      > Vilo
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      > From: Ron <amiak27@...>
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      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
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      > Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:35 AM
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      > Subject: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means
      > Carpatho-Rusyn?
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      > I borrowed directly from the site David lists below:
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      > Slavish, Slovac, Slavack...
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      > When the immigrants used English in the 19th and early 20th
      > centuries, they were often as uncertain of the English
      > versions of their ethnic names as the Americans were
      > confounded by the similarity. In addition to calling their
      > fraternals and parishes Slovak, some Slovak-Americans would
      > name them Slovac and Slavish. The word Slovak generally
      > replaced other versions in the names of Slovak-American
      > organizations by the mid-1920s. Although not as common in
      > Slovak-American documents, English-language sources also
      > used Slavack, Slovish, and similar words. Context is usually
      > required to clarify whether the reference was to the
      > Slovaks, Slavs, or Slovenes.
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      > *******
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      > I have one cousin who uses Slavish to this day to refer to
      > us. I always took it as old time immigrant language, much as
      > references to Slovakland, which were quite clear in meaning
      > when used so long ago.
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      > The English word slavish as in slavish devotion, I always
      > associated with old slavery as well, but have never studied
      > the etymology. Jumping to conclusions from simple similarity
      > can be dangerous, as associating Germs with Germany.
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      > During this ongoing visit to Eastern Slovakia I have been
      > getting good exercise to my poor command of Slovak, but am
      > improving. They Rusyn I am exposed to is quite different.
      > The Easter Slovak dialect, however, presents no problem.
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      > That is one experience.
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      > Vilo, do you find the use only in English, or was it used by
      > the old immigrants you knew over here?
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      > Ron
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      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > david1law@... wrote:
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      > > Here is a good link to the Slovak Studies Program at
      > the University of
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      > > Pittsburgh that may shed some light as to the various
      > names for the Slavic
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      > > people as well as how it relates to the word
      > "slavery":
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      > > _http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html_
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      > > (http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html)
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      > > I hope that this helps a little.
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      > > Best regards,
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      > > David
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      > > In a message dated 5/31/2012 8:50:20 P.M. Eastern
      > Daylight Time,
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      > > r.helms@... writes:
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      > > I have never heard the word slavish, except in
      > reference to slavery. My
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      > > Aunt Anna was Slovak (parents where from Slovakia) and
      > she was married to
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      > > Uncle Frank who was Slavic (he came from Yugoslavia), I
      > was told, by my Aunt,
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      > > --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
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      > > , "Corinne C. Musto" <gershwin417@>
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      > > > Hello,
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      > > > This website gives some good information.
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      > > > Corinne
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      > > > _http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html_
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      > > (http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html)
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      > > > ________________________________
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      > > > From: "sarah.sundquist@"
      > <sarah.sundquist@>
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      > > > To: _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
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      > > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:40 PM
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      > > > Subject: [S-R] "Slavish" means
      > Carpatho-Rusyn?
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      > > > I am seeing a lot of references to the use of the
      > word "Slavish" as an
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      > > identifier means specifically Carpatho-Rusyn. Does
      > anyone have an opinion
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      > > on how true that is?
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