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33146Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?

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  • William C. Wormuth
    Jun 1, 2012
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      Dear Helene,
      Me too!
      Our people came here to work as slaves and the population in the local, had little to no respect for our people.  Here were known, "on the streets" as Dumb "Round-heads", Italians, "Ginnies" or "Wops.

      Slovak people were used to this kind of treatment as Magyrs refered to our people as "Buta Toth" [Buhtah-Toht] which translates as Silly Slovaks but is more demeaning.  I always laughed when thinking about my grandfather being a stupid round-head, since he read and wrote, Slovak, Hungarian, Low German, High German and English, was a floor manager in a leather mill, worked in a casket factory, was a game protector, etc  

      S Panem Bohem,

      Vilo



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      From: helene cincebeaux <helenezx@...>
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:11 PM
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?


       
      In that same vein i why does it bother me when people say Slovakian instead of Slovak? but it does.

      helene

      --- On Fri, 6/1/12, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

      > From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means Carpatho-Rusyn?
      > To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 8:30 PM
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      > Ron,
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      > Our people used Slovak [Sloh-vahk]  but in later years when
      > I traveled around among Slovaks here it disturbed me when
      > people use Slovak [Sloh-vehk].
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      > S Panem Bohom,
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      > Vilo
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      > From: Ron <amiak27@...>
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      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
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      > Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:35 AM
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      > Subject: [S-R] Re: "Slavish" means
      > Carpatho-Rusyn?
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      > I borrowed directly from the site David lists below:
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      > Slavish, Slovac, Slavack...
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      > When the immigrants used English in the 19th and early 20th
      > centuries, they were often as uncertain of the English
      > versions of their ethnic names as the Americans were
      > confounded by the similarity. In addition to calling their
      > fraternals and parishes Slovak, some Slovak-Americans would
      > name them Slovac and Slavish. The word Slovak generally
      > replaced other versions in the names of Slovak-American
      > organizations by the mid-1920s. Although not as common in
      > Slovak-American documents, English-language sources also
      > used Slavack, Slovish, and similar words. Context is usually
      > required to clarify whether the reference was to the
      > Slovaks, Slavs, or Slovenes.
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      > *******
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      > I have one cousin who uses Slavish to this day to refer to
      > us. I always took it as old time immigrant language, much as
      > references to Slovakland, which were quite clear in meaning
      > when used so long ago.
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      > The English word slavish as in slavish devotion, I always
      > associated with old slavery as well, but have never studied
      > the etymology. Jumping to conclusions from simple similarity
      > can be dangerous, as associating Germs with Germany.
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      > During this ongoing visit to Eastern Slovakia I have been
      > getting good exercise to my poor command of Slovak, but am
      > improving. They Rusyn I am exposed to is quite different.
      > The Easter Slovak dialect, however, presents no problem.
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      > That is one experience.
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      > Vilo, do you find the use only in English, or was it used by
      > the old immigrants you knew over here?
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      > Ron
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      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com,
      > david1law@... wrote:
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      > > Hello:
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      > > Here is a good link to the Slovak Studies Program at
      > the University of
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      > > Pittsburgh that may shed some light as to the various
      > names for the Slavic
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      > > people as well as how it relates to the word
      > "slavery":
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      > > _http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html_
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      > > (http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html)
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      > > I hope that this helps a little.
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      > > Best regards,
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      > > David
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      > > In a message dated 5/31/2012 8:50:20 P.M. Eastern
      > Daylight Time,
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      > > r.helms@... writes:
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      > > I have never heard the word slavish, except in
      > reference to slavery. My
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      > > Aunt Anna was Slovak (parents where from Slovakia) and
      > she was married to
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      > > Uncle Frank who was Slavic (he came from Yugoslavia), I
      > was told, by my Aunt,
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      > > to never mix them up.
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      > > --- In _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
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      > > , "Corinne C. Musto" <gershwin417@>
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      > > > Hello,
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      > > > This website gives some good information.
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      > > > Corinne
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      > > > _http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html_
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      > > (http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/slavicslovak.html)
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      > > > From: "sarah.sundquist@"
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      > > > To: _SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com_
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      > > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:40 PM
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      > > > Subject: [S-R] "Slavish" means
      > Carpatho-Rusyn?
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      > > > I am seeing a lot of references to the use of the
      > word "Slavish" as an
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      > > identifier means specifically Carpatho-Rusyn. Does
      > anyone have an opinion
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      > > on how true that is?
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