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29250Re: [S-R] Could Zuber be a Slovak name?

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  • CurtB
    Mar 10, 2011
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      Debbie,
      Mihaly, Michal.

      Mihaly is not Slovak, it is the Hungarian usage. Michal is Slovak. The use of Hungarian names and spellings was frequent at the time.

      Curt B.

      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "deeellessbee" <deeellessbee@...> wrote:
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      > Well, Michael, the world gets smaller and smaller! My father was born in Olyphant! And my grandmother is from nearby Jessup.
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      > Actually, I did see the actual manifest, and do have that additional information you listed. I just didn't list all the info on Michael's mother or his physical description in my post - I figured I'd just be boring people with TOO MUCH information if I listed everything on the manifest. But I did take note of it all.
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      > To be honest, I didn't think at first to look for a second page. Then later I was reviewing the page and it dawned on me that other info such as destination is usually listed, so I clicked to the next image and found it. Almost fell off my chair when I saw Olyphant! An awful lot of people seem to have gone to / come from that little town!
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      > By the way, after seeing that Maria and Michael were going to join their husband/father, I looked him up and found another Michael Zuber going to join his father-in-law, Michael Ivan, in Universal, PA. So I am finding a lot of information on this person - now if I can only be sure it is the right person / right family!
      >
      > By the way, I had thought the Slovak spelling of Michael was Mihaly - am I wrong on that?
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      > Debbie
      >
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
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      > > Debbie,
      > > It’s a small world ��" my father and mother, along with respective families, were born and raised in Olyphant, PA. I will ask my Mother if she knew a Zuber family.
      > >
      > > I got some slightly different information than you when I located the Ship Manifest. The departure date was 24 NOV 1937. The arrival date was 02 DEC 1937.
      > > Michal (as it is spelled in Slovakia) was traveling with his mother, Maria. She was 40 and he 16. She was born in Nizny Hrusov. And was 5’ 4”, Chestnut hair and blue eyes. He was born in Stanca. And was 5’ 3”, Brown hair and eyes. The last permanent residence was Stanca. Maria’s Mother was Marie Ivan who lived at Hardiste. The were joining husband and father, Michal Zuber at 417 Willow St. Olyphant, Pa.
      > >
      > > Another small world. Both of my families lived in an apartment house at 125 Willow Street in Olyphant, Pa.
      > >
      > > Since you did not list any of the information I have I presume you only looked at the summary and not the real Ship’s Manifest page, which runs of two pages.
      > >
      > > Maria Ivan-Zuber was born in Nizny Hrusov. It is a little northwest of Michalovce, which is not too far from Trebisov. Maria’s Mother Marie Ivan lived in Hardiste (that name was used from 1920-1948), it is now called Zemplinske Hradiste and is the next town south of Trebisov. One can presume Maria was born there. And the marriage performed there.
      > >
      > > Michal Zuber (Jr.) was born in Stanca. Stanca was both of theirs last permanent residence. And Michal Zuber (Sr.) declared it was where he was from.
      > >
      > > If this is the Zuber you are looking for, then you have a lot of information and leads from the Ship’s Manifest.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > From: deeellessbee
      > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 AM
      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Could Zuber be a Slovak name?
      > >
      > >
      > > Michael, the record I found is a passenger list on Ancestry.com for the SS Lafayette leaving LeHavre on November 24, 1937. There is a Michal Zuber, 16, place of birth Stanca, listed as a Slovak, traveling with his mother Mary. They are going to Olyphant, PA, to meet with husband/father Michal Zuber. I do know that Grandpa Zuber enlisted in the army in PA, so the PA destination fits, as does his age. We don't know his parents names, but supposedly every first-born son for generations has been named Michael, so it would fit that his father was Michael. (Although the spelling Michal is not very Slovak, is it? I know spelling means nothing in most records, but it might raise a flag....)
      > >
      > > I also found an index to naturalization (not the naturalization papers, but just the index card) for a Michael Zuber, Jr., 23 years old, living in Bridgeport, CT, who was natualized (? - "certificate issued"?) on May 24, 1944. The age, location, etc. seem to fit, although its not a whole lot to go on.
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      > > Lastly, I found an enlistment record for a Michael Zuber, who enlisted in Philadelphia in 1940. This record does list place of birth as PA, which would not match Grandpa, but I think this may be him.
      > >
      > > That's pretty much all I have so far.
      > > Debbie
      > >
      > > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
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      > > > Debbie,
      > > > So far the only information you have given is the surname, Zuber, and village, Stanca. You said you got this from immigration records. Which and where?
      > > > The Ellis Island records has some 450 Zuber entries. What is yours given name? A seach in Stanca had 27 listings, no Zuber.
      > > > Do you know what year he immigrated?
      > > > If he applied for citizenship you would find some useful information on the application.
      > > > Even the Census can have information. Do you know where he was living during the Census years?
      > > > During the past decade I have made six trips to Slovakia. One cousin was the head of the Roman Catholic cathedral in Trebisov. Stanca is 8.5 miles from Trebisov. Because of my cousin I know the area fairly well. Just to the south is the Tokaj wine region. On my map it shows that Stanca is on the Chimec River and the town has a swimming area.
      > > > You are correct to assume that the Germans didn’t just stay in one place. The craftsman could have moved to more productive and lucrative towns or villages. Although I doubt Stanca would have been one. But along the way a Zuber did settle there. Here is the top surnames found in Stanca in the 1995 Census. Slovak has a female ending on surnames, “OVA”.
      > > > V obci STANČA (okr. TREBIÅ OV) sa v roku 1995 nachádzali najčastejÅ¡ie tieto priezviská: KOROVÁ 11×; KOLESÁROVÁ 9×; VEĽK 9×; HANČINOVÁ 9×; VEĽKOVÁ 8×; RAGANOVÁ 8×; MARKOVÁ 7×; KORA 7×; KOLESÁR 7×; RÁCOVÁ 7×; HANČIN 6×; RÁC 6×; FEDÁK 5×; GOROL 5×; VENCEĽOVÁ 5×; VAÅ KO 5×; SCIRANKA 5×; Å LEPKOVSKÝ 5×; TIMKOVÁ 5×; VAÅ KOVÁ 4×; PIPTA 4×; VASIĽOVÁ 4×; FEJKO 4×; PETRIČKO 4×; REPOVSKÁ 4×; SABOVÁ 4×; AMRICHOVÁ 4×; FERENCOVÁ 3×; BOBIK 3×; MICHALKOVÁ 3×; NEMZETOVÁ 3×; HASARALEJKO 3×; BOBIKOVÁ 3×; KOPKOVÁ 3×; PETRIKOVÁ 3×; HAŠČÁKOVÁ 3×; MIĽO 3×; KOPČOVÁ 3×; MICHALKO 3×; GIBA 3×; MATINOVÁ 3×; NÉMETHOVÁ 3×; BÁLINTOVÁ 3×; GOROLOVÁ 3×; KOPČO 3×; FEJKOVÁ 3×; VOLEČKO 3×; AMRICH 3×; BOROVSKÝ 3×; SEKÁČ 3×; PETRIČKOVÁ 3×; PRISTAÅ 3×; ČARNÁ 3×; NÉMETH 3×; DAŇKO 3×; VÁLEK 3×; FEDÁKOVÁ 3×; Å LEPKOVSKÁ 3×; SOKOLY 3×; FERENC 3×; SCIRANKOVÁ 3×; ČARNÝ 3×; VARGAEÅ TÃ"KOVÁ 3×; POPADIČOVÁ 3×; BORÅ ODY 3×; VOLEČKOVÁ 3×; HASARALEJKOVÁ 3×; RAGAN 3×; KRAUS 2×; VARGA 2×; ŠČERBIKOVÁ 2×; BĽANDA 2×; KASONIOVÁ 2×; IŽÁKOVÁ 2×; Å IMKO 2×; BODNÁR 2×; SERBINOVÁ 2×; BADÁNYIOVÁ 2×; HORŇAK 2×; RENČÍK 2×; NOVÁK 2×; SOMJAK 2×; KRAUSOVÁ 2×; KOŠČO 2×; RUDIK 2×; HAMŽÍK 2×; RYBÁR 2×; CIHI 2×; STERANKA 2×; JACKO 2×; ORENIČ 2×; DOJČÁKOVÁ 2×; PILICHOVÁ 2×; VARGOVÁ 2×; BODNÁROVÁ 2×; VENCEĽ 2×; BOROVSKÁ 2×; REPOVSKÝ 2×; ŠČERBA 2×; NEMZET 2×, ...
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      > > > If you can find some more information to prove that Stanca is his village then the search can begin.
      > > > Grécko-katolícka cirkev. Farský úrad Stanča (Trebišov) Cirkevná matrika, 1850-1908 FHL INTL Film 1924860 Item 4 and FHL INTL Film 1924861 Items 1-2.
      > > > Greek Catholic parish registers of baptisms, marriages and deaths for Stanča, Slovakia, formerly Isztáncs, Zemplén, Hungary. Text in Hungarian and Ruthenian.
      > > > Now you have some information of interest. Stanca is a Ruthenian village. http://www.rusyn.com/index.htm is a website on the Rusyns.
      > > > Unfortunately, there is not much in the way of records for Stanca, only 58 years. It may be that it lost its priest living there. Then it would become an affiliated parish and the records kept at the main parish. I don’t know if that was true for the pre-1850 records. It will take some investigation.
      > > >
      > > > From: deeellessbee
      > > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:00 AM
      > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Could Zuber be a Slovak name?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Hi Michael. Funny thing - that is exactly the article I read on Germans in Slovakia! That's where I read that most Germans were in the area of Spis. To begin with, I just thought my ancestor was one of those Carpathian Germans, so when I then saw that he came from Stanca, it made me wonder if perhaps he was Slovak and not German. Of course, this doesn't mean that every German HAD to live in Spis, and certainly people moved around, but I just thought perhaps the chances of his being German were less since he came from Stanca.
      > > >
      > > > It's really kind of a fun thing. My daughter's boyfriend knows quite little of his ancestry, and so to be hit with this "surprise" right in the beginning of our search was unexpected, but for me as a researcher, exciting and interesting.
      > > >
      > > > I hope I can get farther back on the little info he has given me, although I feel like I'm making a lot of connections - at least to begin with - based on conjecture. Not that I'm taking these connections as fact, but more of a line like "let's say this IS our guy, so maybe the family came from here and did this and that and so on..." and then I'll see where that takes me. Lots of fun on one hand, but I sure do wish I had a bit more to go on!
      > > >
      > > > Thank you again for your input. It all helps to solve the puzzle.
      > > > Debbie
      > > >
      > > > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mojher" <mgmojher@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Debbie,
      > > > > Do not be surprised to find that Zuber is a German name. For 900 years Hungary ruled the territory that is now Slovakia. Slovakia did not become an independent country until 1993.
      > > > > In the 1400’s the Hungarian royalty in order to get the latest technology invited German craftsmen to come to Hungary. I read that in Slovakia there are villages that were settled by these German craftsmen. The villages kept such a strong German identity that even today they still are culturally very German.
      > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Germans Here is an article on the Carpathian Germans of present-day Slovakia. In it the refer to the Spis region for “islands of German settlements”. The Hungarians divided their holdings into “states”, one of which is Spis in Slovak and Szepes in Hungarian. I told you that the village you found, Stanca was in eastern Slovakia. It was located in the Hungarian area of Zemplen.
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      > > > > From: deeellessbee
      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:23 PM
      > > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Could Zuber be a Slovak name?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Thank you Helene, Lubos, and Michael! I have to say I am really somewhat surprised as I always thought Zuber sounded very German - and so did my daughter's boyfriend! This information you have provided shows me that there is a possibility that the name may be Slovak, and that this person I found in the immigration record just may be his grandfather. Thanks so much for your help!
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      > > > > Debbie
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com, helene cincebeaux <helenezx@> wrote:
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      > > > > > hI - I I have 2 Zuber listings in the Slovak Pride data base
      > > > > > - one is near Trencin and one in Orava.
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      > > > > > helene
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      > > > > > From: deeellessbee <deeellessbee@>
      > > > > > To: mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS%40yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 3:41:17 PM
      > > > > > Subject: [S-R] Could Zuber be a Slovak name?
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      > > > > > I just started helping my daughter's boyfriend with his genealogy. He has always
      > > > > > thought he was predominantly German on his father's side, and the last name is
      > > > > > Zuber.
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      > > > > > However, I found an immigration record that seems to be his grandfather, who was
      > > > > > born in "Czechoslovakia". I know there is a history of Germans in Slovakia. I
      > > > > > took a quick look at a map and it seems his grandfather (or this man who I think
      > > > > > is his grandfather) did not come from the usual area of German settlement - his
      > > > > > immmigration record says Stanca, which I believe is farther south/southwest.
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      > > > > > Before I pursue the German/Slovak connection, I'm just curious as to whether
      > > > > > Zuber could be an ethnic Slovak name. It sounds very German to my ear, but
      > > > > > that's not saying much!
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      > > > > > Thank you for any thoughts on this.
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