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28877Re: [S-R] Josef in Eastern Slovakia

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  • Bill Tarkulich
    Feb 3, 2011
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      The Zborov area was dominate by Rusyns, which used their own, non-codifed
      language, which was not Slovak.

      On Thu, February 3, 2011 5:33 pm, Elaine wrote:
      > Thanks, Lubos, I didn't know whether Bill was referring to spelling or
      > something else.
      >
      > Elaine
      >
      > Sent from my iPhone
      >
      > On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Lubos Brieda <lbrieda@...> wrote:
      >
      >> Hi Elaine, I don't know much about the particular variations between
      >> eastern vs.
      >> western Slovakia, but.. Josef is Czech (or Bohemian) for Joseph. The
      >> Slovak
      >> version is Jozef (with a z instead of s).
      >>
      >> -- Lubos Brieda --
      >>
      >> www.slovakcooking.com
      >>
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: Elaine <epowell@...>
      >> To: "SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com" <SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 2:57:57 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [S-R] Josef in Eastern Slovakia
      >>
      >> Bill, can you give some background on your comment about the name Josef
      >> not
      >> being indigenous to eastern Slovakia? Did you mean that particular
      >> spelling? I
      >> have found several Josephs in my Kolarcik line in Pol'anovce and
      >> Rozkovany going
      >> back to the early 1800s, and I have seen it in other families too.
      >> (Granted, it
      >> was not as common as Matthew, Michael or John!) Spelling in the revords
      >> I've
      >> seen varies depending on Latin vs Hungarian.
      >>
      >> Elaine
      >>
      >> Sent from my iPhone
      >>
      >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:56 PM, "Bill Tarkulich" <bill.tarkulich@...>
      >> wrote:
      >>
      >> > As you may know, the former provinces of Bohemia and Moravia are now a
      >> > part of the Czech Republic.
      >> >
      >> > I see you write the village as Zborov and also as Zboro. There is a
      >> > Zborov in present-day eastern Slovakia, but that is a long way from
      >> the
      >> > Czech Republic. As a general rule in pre-1918 europe, Bohemia and
      >> Moravia
      >> > were provinces in the Austrian Empire. The lands of present-day
      >> Slovakia
      >> > were a part of the Kingdom of Hungary.
      >> >
      >> > Forget about Austria-Hungary for your search - this was a political
      >> > partnership for external diplomatic, immigration and army purposes.
      >> Both
      >> > Austria and Hungary maintained individual internal records and managed
      >> > internal affairs separately. When someone states A-H, the first order
      >> of
      >> > business is to determine the correct county. You are on the right
      >> path.
      >> >
      >> > What was his religion and declared ethnicity? You may be dealing with
      >> two
      >> > different people. Are the people listed back home, or the destination
      >> the
      >> > same? I cannot tell from the dates you provided how big the age
      >> > discrepancy was. You have a lot more info to share with us before we
      >> can
      >> > make progress. It's at your fingertips presuming the date of
      >> immigration
      >> > was after 1904, when the immigration data collection requirements were
      >> > broadened.
      >> >
      >> > Josef is not a name indigenous to eastern Slovakia. I am not very
      >> > familiar with czech republic, however most of the village names in CR
      >> did
      >> > not change as dramatically as they did in Slovakia.
      >> >
      >> > Good luck,
      >> > Bill Tarkulich
      >> > On Thu, February 3, 2011 1:35 pm, CherylM wrote:
      >> > > I was never interested in geography/history in school and am paying
      >> for it
      >> > > now. I have been searching for my great-grandparents immigration
      >> records
      >> > > and believe I might have found them. After many years, I put in the
      >> right
      >> > > combination surname spelling and came up with a close winner. Josef,
      >> Anna
      >> > > & son Josef Vojtech on the Kaiser Wilhem II arriving June 1, 1891. I
      >> say
      >> > > might because the few records I have for their son Josef states he
      >> was
      >> > > born in Oct 1891 and on this immigration record states he was 11
      >> months
      >> > > when they arrived. Also the record states they came from Bohemia.
      >> This
      >> > > is the first time I've seen this place mentioned, all other records
      >> say
      >> > > Slovakia, Hungary. Josef (the son) his 1917 draft record, the only
      >> record
      >> > > I have to give a specific village states he was born in Zboro,
      >> Austria
      >> > > Hungary. Was Hungary also known as Bohemia? Could this be their
      >> record I
      >> > > have been search for for so long?
      >> > >
      >> > >
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      >> > --
      >> > Bill
      >> >
      >> >
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