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  • CurtB
    Nov 3, 2010
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      What you found was a Maria Sofranko [there are many Sofranko's in Siroke] who had a daughter baptized. This Maria was unmarried and the daughter is listed as illegitimate.

      CB

      --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@...> wrote:
      >
      > I got it off his social  security application It was Walter Estock 14 Feb 1881
      > Siroke, Cezhsolovia. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong Walter Estock/Istok. Oh yes,
      > Curt, by the way I found Maria Sofranko by herself in the same records.  image
      > 108 line 85.  What does this mean?
      >
      > Jerry
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: CurtB <curt67boc@...>
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 1:01:56 PM
      > Subject: [S-R] Re: Walter Estock
      >
      >  
      > Jerry,
      > Well, did you at least find the citation I gave to you of Andrew Istok and Maria
      > Sofranko in the Siroke records?? Did you check the marriage records to see if
      > Andrew and Maria were married in Siroke??
      >
      > There is no birth or baptismal record in Siroke for Istok in February of 1881.
      > So how do you know that is his date of birth? He may have said so on some record
      > in the U.S., but such information is commonly in serious error, and confirmation
      > of birth in the church registers often varies from U.S. records by up to several
      > years!
      >
      > Also the name Walter is very unlikely to have been given at birth in Slovak
      > territory. This is likely an assumed name in the United States. "Walter" then,
      > is probably one of the other children born to the Istok's in Siroke. Or perhaps
      > Walter just guessed that he was born in Siroke and was really born elsewhere.
      >
      > CB
      >
      > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Curt B
      > >
      > > My greatfather is Walter Estock or Istok born 14 Feb 1881 in Siroke. His
      > >parents
      > >
      > > were Andrew Estock and Maria Sofranko.  What I was told the name is Istok and
      >
      > > not Estock.  Andrew Estock birthdate maybe 1845 and Maria Sofranko might be
      > > 1851.  My great-grandfather had to be in the USA by 1901.
      > >
      > > Jerry
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > > From: CurtB <curt67boc@>
      > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 11:42:23 PM
      > > Subject: [S-R] Re: Walter Estock
      > >
      > >  
      > > Jerry,
      > > You have to read slowly until you get familiar with the handwriting. For one of
      > >
      > > the examples go to the Siroke records, baptisms 1874-1896, then image number
      > >87,
      > >
      > > line 58. Andras Istok, the miller, and his wife Maria Sofranko have baptized
      > > their son Bertalan [who later dies]. You have said that Andrew Istok and Maria
      >
      > > Sofranko are your great grandparents.
      > >
      > > One of the sponsors is a relative of mine!
      > >
      > > Istok, the miller came from somewhere else to Siroke to operate the mill, and
      > > left some time after. Have you searched marriages is Siroke? Sofranko is a
      > > common name throughout the records in Siroke and still is today. One of my
      > > relatives married a Sofranko from Siroke. It seems likely that Istok married
      > > Maria Sofranko in Siroke, but you won't know until you look.
      > >
      > > Curt B.
      > >
      > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > CurtB
      > > >
      > > > I did what you said to do.  I went though a 190 pages and I did not see
      > > > anything.  I must be blind in one eye and can't see out the other.
      > > >
      > > > Jerry Waters
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ________________________________
      > > > From: CurtB <curt67boc@>
      > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 4:31:03 PM
      > > > Subject: [S-R] Re: Walter Estock
      > > >
      > > >  
      > > > Jerry,
      > > > Family search keeps changing their web site so finding the registers got a
      > >bit
      > >
      > >
      > > > more complicated.
      > > >
      > > > Go to:
      > > >
      > > > https://beta.familysearch.org/
      > > >
      > > > Under Browse by location click on Europe.
      > > >
      > > > On the list that comes up click on Slovakia.
      > > >
      > > > On the list click on Presov Region church books Slovakian place names.
      > > >
      > > > Click on Browse through images.
      > > >
      > > > On the next list click on Roman Catholic.
      > > >
      > > > A long list comes up and Siroke is the fourth from the last one.
      > > >
      > > > Click on Siroke and you will get to the list of registers, pick the one you
      > > >want
      > > >
      > > > and click to open. A viewer will open to the first page of that register and
      >
      > > >you
      > > >
      > > > can navigate back and forwards in the register until you get to a date that
      > >you
      > >
      > > >
      > > > want.
      > > >
      > > > CB
      > > >
      > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Curt B
      > > > >
      > > > > I have lookedÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚  at what said to at.ÃÆ'‚  And have
      > >looked and looked and
      > >
      > > >I don't
      > > >
      > > > >know
      > > > >
      > > > > what I'm looking for, I do not understand the heading that I see.ÃÆ'‚ 
      > >Sorry!
      > > > >
      > > > > Jerry
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > ________________________________
      > > > > From: CurtB <curt67boc@>
      > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 1:02:52 PM
      > > > > Subject: [S-R] Re: Walter Estock
      > > > >
      > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
      > > > > Jerry,
      > > > > They are in the baptismal records of the Roman Catholic parish church of
      > >St.
      > >
      > >
      > > > > Nicholas in the village of S~iroke in Slovakia. These records may be viewed
      > >
      > > > > online at the Family History Library website operated by the Latter Day
      > > > Saints.
      > > > >
      > > > > click on this:
      > > > >
      > > > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
      > > > >
      > > > > or go to Bill Tarkulich website for how to get to the records
      > > > >
      > > > > www.iabsi.com
      > > > >
      > > > > curt b
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Curt B.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Where did you find my great-great grandfahter, his wife and sons
      > > >it?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  I
      > > >
      > > > >would
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > check this myself, but don't what I'm looking for!!ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > >I'm great at
      > >
      > > >US but
      > > >
      > > > >very
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > poor outside the USA.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Jerry
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > ________________________________
      > > > > > From: CurtB <curt67boc@>
      > > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:07:55 PM
      > > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Walter Estock
      > > > > >
      > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > > > > > Jerry,
      > > > > > I found records of your Great Great Grandparents Andrej Istok, and his
      > >wife
      > >
      > > >
      > > > > > Maria Sofranko, and birth of three of their sons among birth records. You
      > >
      > > > >need
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > to look through marriage records as well as death records to see what
      > >else
      > >
      > >
      > > > >you
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > can find.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The easiest way to get there online is to read instructions by Bill
      > > >Tarkulich
      > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > (who moderates this list as well) on his web site.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > http://www.iabsi com/gen/public/
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Click on the button FHL resources. and read the information about church
      >
      > > >and
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > > temple records and click there on FHL catalog. Do a place search with the
      > >
      > > > >word
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > Siroke. You will get through to the online Roman Catholic records for
      > > > Siroke.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Curt B.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@ ...>
      > > >wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Curt B,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I'm sorry I didn't understand that you had found my
      > > > >great-grandparents.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > > > >
      > > > > > >Please show me where to go and I will start looking.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Again Thank you very much,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Jerry
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
      > > > > > > From: CurtB <curt67boc@ ..>
      > > > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > > > > Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 3:15:44 PM
      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Walter Estock
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > > > > > > Jerry,
      > > > > > > As I pointed out to you before, your great-grandparents do appear in
      > >the
      > >
      > >
      > > > > >church
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >registers of Siroke. He was a miller in Siroke. Three of their sons are
      >
      > > >born
      > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > > >there. They disappear from the registers around 1890 because they
      > > >obviously
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > >came
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >to the United States.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > In the registers the name is consistently spelled Istok. Estock is
      > > >clearly
      > > >
      > > > >an
      > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >Americanized spelling.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > You are really going to have to examine the registers online by
      > >yourself.
      > >
      > > >
      > > > > > >Unpaid volunteers on this list are not going to spend the 20 hours or so
      > >
      > > >it
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > > >takes to read the complete registers online. Alternatively, you may hire
      > >a
      > >
      > > >
      > > > > > >genealogist to do it for you.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Curt B.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com, Jerry Waters <jwaters002@ ...>
      > > > >wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Have we talked
      > >before.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > > And
      > >
      > > >Why is Siroke is no
      > > >
      > > > >problem at
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > >>all.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >Everyone tells me that there are no Estocks in Siroke.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Jerry
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
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      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
      > > > > > > > From: Vladimir Linder <vlinder49@ ..>
      > > > > > > > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > > > > > Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 3:43:27 PM
      > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [S-R] Walter Estock
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > >ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 
      > >
      > > > > > > > SIROKE NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > VLADI
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > At 06:53 AM 3/18/2010, you wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >I'm trying to found village or town that
      > > > > > > > >Great-grandfather was from. He's social security
      > > > > > > > >appliciation states that he was born Feb 14,
      > > > > > > > >1881 in Siroke, Cechoslovakia, but I was told
      > > > > > > > >that it is now Slovakia. His parents are Andrew
      > > > > > > > >Estock and Mary Sofranko. I can't find anywhere
      > > > > > > > >where they came into the states. I hope this helps.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >Jerry Waters
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