21766Re: [S-R] Where to look next TRIMBATH, UKRAINE
- Jan 27, 2009Bill - please let me know if you hav knowledge of any discussion groups for Poland. I have a similar problem. Don't know his last name and all documentation we have has different spellings. He indicates he was Polish from Russia. One relative thinks he might have been from Slovakia but I disagee. He was adament he was Poish.
From: Bill Tarkulich <bill.tarkulich@...>
Sent: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 2:54 am
Subject: RE: [S-R] Where to look next TRIMBATH, UKRAINE
I don't have time to read all the detail, but I will make some general
comments, since my knowledge is limited to tracing immigrants back across
the pond. Plenty of resources exist today on how to do research stateside.
What do you want to know that you have not uncovered already?
It looks like all your research involves events that occurred stateside.
If you are interested in going back to Europe and that would seem the next
logical step, you'll need to uncover the name of their village.
Good places to start include their immigration papers and
If most of the documents are stating Austria, it is more likely he was from
Poland, or the borderlands across Ukraine as you so describe. Czech
Republic was in the Austria sphere. Slovakia was not, it was in Hungary.
Ukraine, if this is correct is very difficult research and wi
Other discussion groups have more expertise on Poland and Ukraine than this
group generally does. But I never say never!
From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lisa Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:53 AM
Subject: [S-R] Where to look next
I've been researching my grandfather Charles Trimbath for the past 14
years and have run out of places to look, below is an introduction
and timeline of facts I know about him.
I'm hoping someone from the group can point out anything I've missed
or an another direction I might search.
Charles Trimbath (not his original name see below)lived in Fayette
County, PA. According to family stories, he came to America with his
mother and father. His father was killed after a poker game in a
bar, supposedly this was in Republic, Fayette, PA (he used to point
out the building where the bar was to his children). He also said
that his father was buried in a nearby town (possibly New Salem) but
I've never been able to locate a grave or a record of his death.
After his fathers death, his mother did not want to stay in America
but was afraid if she took him back to the "old country" he would be
conscripted into the military.
I found an article dated July 28, 1914 in which the Austro-Hungarian
Consul Louis Vaczek stated that every Austrian and Hungarian in
nty is notified to be prepared for any crisis in the
pending war between their country and the Servian government.
His mother made arrangements for him to stay in a boarding house and
she went back home. My Aunt said he told her the boarding house was
dirty and the lady had lots of children.
Why his name was something else (but I don't know what)
The family had always been told that Charlie Trimbath was not
Grandpas real name, he said when he went to work in the mines that's
what they called him.
I was took this story with a grain of salt until last year. That's
when I received an email from a man named Robert Trimbath; his family
is from Fayette County.
This is what he told me, quote: "my father who has passed now, told
me of a young man named Charles, he said that he thought he was
polish but couldn't remember. Anyway the story I was told was that my
great-grandfather worked at the mine with Charles and kind of took
him in since he had no family here, he had a name which I do not
know, but dad said it was very hard to pronounce, the paymaster at
the mine just started calling him Trimbath and it stuck. I guess this
seemed logical since they were always together".
This is the first time I've had someone outside of the family
collaborate a family story so I have given this much more weight in
my research. Not that it helps much if I don't know Grandpa's real
Another fact about Grandpa is=2
0that even though he married in the
Roman Catholic Church he still walked to a nearby town (possibly New
Salem) to attend the "other" Catholic Church, possibly Orthodox, my
Aunt remember walking in the snow to Christmas mass in January.
The other fact I have is that he was never naturalized (searched, no
papers located) and never voted.
1917 or before letter from my Aunt say he was Karlos Terembitz and
lived in Keisterville, PA 15449, she also thought?? that there
were "relatives"? Named Patton that lived in Hastings, PA
1917 April 25 Marriage License, name Charles Trembath, born Austria,
age 21, father Frank Trembath, deceased, mother Annie Trembath
(maiden name Medleck) living in Austria.
1917 April 26 Notice in the Uniontown Daily News Standard marriage
license issued for Charles Trimbath of Thompson #2 Fayette, PA and
Mary Margaret Buksar.
1917 May 15 Charles Trembath and Mary Margaret Buksar wed at Holy
Church, Republic, Fayette, PA
1917 June 5 Draft Registration WWI, name Charley Trembath, age 21,
living on Gil Road, Republic, Fayette, PA listed as an Alien, born
December 30, 1895 in Zara, Sigar, Austria and he is a citizen of
Austria Hungary. Signed his name with an X
1920 Census, Fayette County, PA, name Charlie Trembetz or Trembatz
born Beretski, Austria, emigrated (hard to read might be 1909 or 1901)
1930 Census, Fayette County, PA, name Charles Trimbath, born
1936 December 5 Social Security Application, n
ame Charles Trimbath,
age 40, born December 31, 1896 in Haston, Cambria, PA, father Frank
Trimbath, mother Anna Vaingar (her name on his marriage license was
1942 April 27 WWII Draft Registration, name Charles Trimbath, age 45,
living at Tower Hill #1, Redstone Twp, Fayette, PA, born 31 Dec,
1896 in Cambria, PA
1956 March 1 Applied for United Mine Workers Pension, name Charles
Trimbath, born December 31, 1896, father Frank Trimbath born Austria,
and mother Anna Medleck born Austria. Since early mine records were
scarce he obtained affidavits from people who worked with him in the
mines, the earliest record came from James Cover who stated he first
became acquainted with Charles Trimbath on or about May 1915. James
Cover was born 6 Dec 1896 so he would have been about the same age as
Charles; James' father was Thomas Cover who was listed as a mine
foreman in the 1920 census.
1987 January 15 Death Certificate, name Charles Trimbath, born 12-31-
1895 in Hastings, PA
2007 November Grandson of Charles Trimbath has DNA tested with Family
Tree DNA, we were surprised when we found out Charles DNA matched
with 5 participants. Below is information on the matches and where
their family came from.
William Kisseloff - Bill's paternal ancestors emigrated from Kars,
Russia (now Turkey) to Los Angeles in 1911. They had been exiled by
the Czar to the Southern Caucasian Mountains (near Mt. Ararat) for
rejecting the Russian Orthodox Faith and joining a Christia
referred to as "Molokans" He had a Moscow historian trace paternal
line back to a Maxim Kisilev or Kiselev who was born around late
1700's, no birthplace, but a relative claims the line originated in
Statement from Bill: Our common ancestor probably originated
somewhere in the Balkan region and then his descendents must have
migrated throughout Europe (Austria, Hungry, Poland, Germany, Russia,
Paul Gamaldi – Grandparents came from Italy to America in the early
1900's. He says his DNA does not match with very many Italians; most
matches are from Poland and Ukraine.
Michel Kryvenko - His grandfather was living in a house located near
a lake at Vinnitsa, Ukraine, when the Russian revolution took place;
his father was horrified by what he had seen and ran away to Poland
then to France. Surname Êðèâåíêî may be written Kryvenko or
Ron Paler - His grandfather immigrated to Canada and then to the US
in the early 1900-1920. He was born in the Ukraine in a small village
named Borstiew(sp?). This section was constantly in flux with Poland;
grandfather had striking red hair and pale complexion. The family
name was originally Pulak or Polak.
Keith Weissinger - According to Keith his oldest know ancestor lived
in Germany before 1600
Sorry this was so long. I'd really appreciate and input from the
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