13532Re: [S-R] Hungarianized Surnames
- Oct 31 8:39 PMIf you are lucky, as I was, you may find old church records that give
people's everyday nicknames.
Alki, Borka, Hanc~a, Miso, Ondo, Giri, etc. Lovely.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nurse_ildiko" <nurse_ildiko@...>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [S-R] Hungarianized Surnames
> This is all very interesting! My maiden name is Kecskes. Thanks for
> the info.
> Ildiko Scott
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Kozlay" <kozlay@c...>
>> I, too, have been fascinated by the practice of name changing both
>> there are some prominent examples in history and because I
> discovered some
>> pretty startling ones in my own family name. In my case I have
> traced the
>> name from KOZLIK to KOZIK to KECSKES to KOZLAY. The family
> originated in
>> Upper Hungary, with a very Slavic name, and changed as they moved
>> and further south and "became" Hungarian. These changes all took
> place prior
>> to 1850. (Kecskes is a translation of the Slavic word for "goat"
> (Koz) to
>> its Hungarian equivalent.) Slovak names were not the only ones to be
>> "Hungarianized." Jewish, German, and Croatian names were also often
>> to more Hungarian ones, both in Hungary and in the U.S. It was
> clearly an
>> advantage in the 19th century to have a Hungarian name in Hungary,
> and often
>> was an advantage in the U.S., especially mid-century.
>> However, I agree that some apparent name changes only reflect
>> differences or the language in which the church records were
> written, as
>> pointed out both by "johnqadam" and by Bill Tarkulich. I, too,
>> whether anyone was ever called Michael, or Johannes, despite their
>> appearance in the records. As for Kristoffy/Kristofik, there are
> old Latin
>> records of Christoffi and Christoffi, which surely represent the
> same name,
>> if not the same family. Nor do I think you can make more than an
>> guess about what language a family spoke on the basis of how a name
>> spelled in the records. There were so many ethnic groups living
>> they were almost forced to be multilingual unless they came from a
>> small, ethnically "pure" village. We have evidence that among
>> families in Upper Hungary, some spoke Slovak, some German, and some
>> Hungarian, though all shared the same family name.
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