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  • Adrian Maestas
    Aug 31 10:22 AM
      Well I stopped driving years ago, ride my bike everywhere.
      Rode to Santa Cruz and back a few weeks ago, thinking about riding up to Mendocino over the 3 day weekend.

      But mostly postulating, that cheese to me is more important than many other terrible things we are facing these days. I'll give up many things before I give up cheese.

      --- On Tue, 8/31/10, philip gelb <phil@...> wrote:

      From: philip gelb <phil@...>
      Subject: Re: [SFVS] Greens Restaurant
      To: SFVeg@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:14 AM


      are you going to give these things up or just postulating? curious.


      On Aug 31, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Adrian Maestas wrote:

      I was vegan for a few years back in the mid 90's, but I like cheese and puff pastry.
      I know the animals are treated badly, but there are so many things in the world I will give up first before cheese. Like driving. And using paper products. patronizing companies that dump waste into the sea and freshwater rivers. Stuff like that. 

      I'll give all that up before cheese. And pastries. that egg replacer stuff doesn't make the patsry puff up enough. I've tried all the egg substitutes for baking, and it just is not the same. creamers and the like are easy to replace now with a soy based one, but until they figure out how to make a souffle without eggs.....

      My $.02

      --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Mitch Cohen <redbeerd@...> wrote:

      From: Mitch Cohen <redbeerd@...>
      Subject: RE: [SFVS] Greens Restaurant
      To: sfveg@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 11:36 PM


      there are omnivores who are in the front lines fighting against factory-farming. their reasons & ultimate goals are clearly different than ours. however, there are more potential anti-factory-farming omnivores than there are vegans. so, if one's short-term goals include drastically reducing factory-farming, i suggest we consider the anti-factory-farming "sustainable-farming" omnivore movement, and its leading, "showcase" restaurants (chez panisse, greens, gather, encuentro) as allies in the fight against factory-farming.

      if enough consciousness & awareness can be raised to get more omnivores to consider avoiding factory-farmed products, then omnivores will have to make plant-based food a huger percentage of their diet (since there simply is NOT enough non-factory-farmed animal-based "food" available to be a big portion of their diet, and it's much more expensive).

      a message telling folks anything short of 100% vegan just turns off too many people. let others tell them to transition to non-factory-farmed "food". once omnivores are willing to make changes and listen, hopefully they'll be more willing to hear our message

      To: SFVeg@yahoogroups.com
      From: gsmith59@...
      Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:52:05 -0700
      Subject: Re: [SFVS] Greens Restaurant

      It is for these reasons you state that I have never been there in the first

      I don't want to support a restaurant which glorifies the consumption of animal
      products as necessary for a good meal, be they from abused or from dead

      When I transitioned from omnivore to a vegan diet the first thing I quit was
      dairy, and the second thing I quit was eggs. Only then did I say "what the
      heck" and went all the way to vegan.

      What might have made some sense 150 years ago in the days of small time Farmer
      MacDonald makes no ethical sense in the current era of cruel, mechanistic


      -----Original Message-----

      >I was just at Green's two Sundays ago, because I had tickets to a piano 
      >concert in the Cowell Theater that is two steps away from Green's. I'm a 
      >vegan. 99% of the menu was full of eggs and dairy, particularly cheese.
      > After seeing the two documentaries from Tribe of Heart, Peaceable 
      >Kingdom and Peaceable Kingdom, the Journey Home, I see the egg and dairy 
      >industry as being as cruel as the meat industry. Eggs and dairy both
      >inhumane conditions and death. Living newborn male chicks are tossed
      >in heaps like garbage on egg farms. Battery cages are torture chambers.
      >"Spent" hens are killed. Cows are kept pregnant all the time, suffer
      >mammary infections, are pumped full of drugs and can't move, because they 
      >are tethered to the milk machines for life; their male offspring are
      >from them at birth and become veal, sent to slaughter after a short life 
      >of immobility. 
      > I am as repulsed at seeing "vegetarian" food as I am at a steakhouse.
      >I realize I cannot go back to Green's again.
      > Sincerely, Bonnie Knight, San Francisco

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