- i am new to the Indian personna, but i really like and would like to
try to get an indian name passed. i have one that i really like but i
don't even know if it is period or what era, or tribe it belongs to.
Also i am have the hardest dang time trying to find a last name that i
like. i was just wondering if someone would like to help me figure
this whole thing out. i am so confused.
the name that i really like is Lalita Sevati....(insert last name here)
if someone could please help me document this i would be very, VERY
- Welcome to the list Heidi.
First thing you should do is go check out the stuff
that is up in the files section of the group website.
There are a couple of name documents up there. There
are also a whole bunch of other stuff up there.
Also, you can search the archives of messages for the
list. A lot questions have been gone over before.
Second thing, naming practices vary widely in India
based on your time/place/religion/caste etc, etc.
This is true of just about everything in India, but is
particularly true of names. In some times/places
there are no family (last) names, particularly for
If you just like the name and are willing to take
whatever time/place you can document it to, that will
make it easier.
Do you have documentation for the other two names? It
was not clear from your message. I know that
currently Lalita is a more southern name, but I am not
familiar with the other name.
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- Hi Heidi, or Lalita!
I'm afraid I'm not the best person to give advice on passing Indian
names through the College of Arms, as I never even tried with my own.
But I had a few useful thoughts on name documentation and putting
together a credible bundle for the heralds. First off, in India, so
much of the culture is so unique to a region and period that helps to
have decided a few basic persona questions before you start on
documenting a name:
- what era do you want? A general breadth of a century or two may be
enough - but India and Indian languages in 600AD are very different
from 1600 AD. As with most places, the later in time you go, the
easier it may be to find information down to a single decade or
specific city or state
- where do you want to be from? The easiest divide is North vs.
South - the two areas have entirely different languages, different
grammars and different alphabets. But even narrowing your choice down
to a modern Indian state can help - for example the southern state of
Karnataka is often an entirely different empire from the southern state
of Tamil Nadu - so much so that the two states have different languages
- what religion would your persona have? While you certianly don't
need to participate in any religious observance, religion is so
intricately tied to naming and dress in India, that it's very hard to
figure out a name without picking a religion.
- Caste - knowing your caste, if you are Hindu, can also help. There
are certain cases I know of where some unusual castes will do family
names entirely different from the "normal" castes. Temple women come
From there, it's often easiest to start with historic resources - like
poetry, stories, epigraphs, listings of honored people, and so forth,
and look for a name you like, rather than picking a name and trying to
work backward. Then it's very easy to say "this name was cited in X
place at X time". 'back documenting' - picking a name and then trying
to figure out documentation, often leads to a series of conjectures
that can lead to the name not getting passed.
Then it helps to dig into naming conventions - all sorts of convetions
are used by different groups:
- father's first name as child's family name
- mother's first name as child's family name
- an enduring last name that runs through generations
- last name connected to family occupation
- last name connected to place of origin
Lastly, if name registration is the main goal, I suggest avoiding
anything that may be a goddess-name - it's very appropriate, but not
easy to explain to European-oriented Heralds. I see that the first
things that come for a Net search on Lalita are the goddess of the same
name name. That means that you will want to find a way to make a good
case that naming children after dieties is a common practice in the
area of medeival India you wish to be from. It IS pretty common, so
it's mostly gathering some cases as examples.
The next trick is showing that the names Lalita and Sevati would be
used as personal names in some period of history. I'm having a heck of
time digging up the history of Lalita the goddess... at first glance
she appears to be connected to tantrism, which really develops mostly
post-period, although it may start before 1600. But... the name may or
may not predate the goddess...
Sorry I can't be more help with finite answers...
--- In SCA_India@yahoogroups.com, "sheaailidh" <elektraamethyst@g...>
> i am new to the Indian personna, but i really like and would like to
> try to get an indian name passed. i have one that i really like but
> don't even know if it is period or what era, or tribe it belongs to.i
> Also i am have the hardest dang time trying to find a last name that
> like. i was just wondering if someone would like to help me figurehere)
> this whole thing out. i am so confused.
> the name that i really like is Lalita Sevati....(insert last name
> if someone could please help me document this i would be very, VERY
> thank you