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  • jenny tavernier
    Hi Again - my computer did something wierd, so don t know if first got through - here it is again. Apologies if this double posts - Jen The Prince Edward
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 30, 2004
      Hi Again - my computer did something wierd, so don't know if first got through - here it is again. Apologies if this double posts - Jen

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      Wales - Land of Song <http://www.josef-bayer.de/landofsong>

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      Timeline of Welsh History <http://www.celticmist.freeserve.co.uk/tline.htm>

      The Mabinogian - Earliest ancient Welsh folk tales <http://www.cyberphile.co.uk/~taff/taffnet/mabinogion/fulltales/FullIndex.htm>

      Links to Welsh history <http://www.webmesh.co.uk/wales.htm>

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    • Anjuli/Ellen
      Ok, I got in late on the discussion because of a technical computer glitch. What song are we searching for? Anjuli ... From: Fionghuala The Fewterer
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 1 5:09 AM
        Ok, I got in late on the discussion because of a technical computer glitch. What song
        are we searching for?


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Fionghuala The Fewterer [SMTP:kkordas@...]
        Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:05 AM
        To: SCA_BARDS@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SCA_BARDS] Re: Beth Gelert Have the Lyrics where's the Music?? (Getting Warmer )

        Thank you to all that have replied on this subject. I have done the
        search at mudcat but the midi that is mentioned...doesn't play for
        me, there was another link to that same midi but with different words
        so I do not think it is the same song or tune that I'm seeking.

        Someone had mentioned Handel as having died before the lyrics were
        written. I just wanted to correct that is not Handel we are seeking
        but Franz Joseph Hayden. This is the man who created the melody to
        the poem that was written by Spencer.

        Some small progress has been made in hunting our little song spore
        here. This is what I've found so far, and I may end up at a
        University Library to finish the search, unless I can absolutely not
        find what I seek on the internet. However here's more info about
        Hayden's works that should lead us in the right direction. Gathered
        from various sites:

        "In the period 1792-1804 Haydn modified about 600 English, Scottish,
        Irish and Welsh melodies for voice and piano, sometimes with violin
        or violin and cello (Hob.XXXI). The main part is from famous poets as
        Sir Walter Scott, Robert Burns, John Richardson, R.B.Sheridan and
        Alexander Boswell, another part is derived from folk-poetry."

        "Joseph Haydn composed over 750 works and arranged over 330 songs.
        Between 1934 and 1971 Anthony von Hoboken compiled a directory of
        Haydn's works according to musical forms. His results were published
        by the company Schott under the title "Joseph Haydn - Thematisch-
        bibliographisches Werkverzeichnis" (Eng. "J. Haydn - Thematic-
        bibliographic Listing of his Works"). Hoboken assigned a number to
        each work, and this idea was so helpful, that most of Haydn's works
        are now known not only through their title but also through their
        Hoboken (H) number. (...) For example, Symphony 104 is assigned H
        (Hoboken) I (Work category) 104 (Work number)."

        (Here I finally found the potential catalog to search):
        Volume 9 - Arrangements of (273) Scottish and (60) Welsh Folksongs H

        (Then I found some possible published songbooks of these tunes):

        1809-1811-1814. A Select Collection of original Welsh Airs adapted
        for the voice united to characteristic English Poetry, never before
        published ... accompaniments ... chiefly by Joseph Haydn. Vol. i.
        [and ii and iii.] London, Preston, and by G Thomson, the editor and
        proprietor, Edinburgh. Folio.

        AND possibly:

        The select Melodies of Scotland, collected by Thomson, part I, II and
        V (Lond./Edinb. 1822), part VI (Thomson's collection(...)united to
        the Select Melodies of Scotland(...)Ireland and Wales (Lond./Edinb.
        1824) supplement: 20 Scottish Melodies

        Now all I need is to find a copy of any of these volumes! Of course a
        copy of the extensive catalog of Hadyn's work would be helpful just
        to try and discern the possible title of the melody would be helpful
        for further searching. Copies of the Songbooks by Thomson would be
        helpful too as they look promising. I can not imagine that as big a
        story as Saint/Beth/Bedd Gelert is to the Welsh (especially in the
        taverns of Beddgelert) that the song would be forgotten, the poem
        certainly has survived! Perhaps I should ring up the 'Mayor' of that
        town and ask?? :^)

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