Re: [SCA-Milliners] dagging
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:07:18 -0400
><html><body>hoods and a houppe with dags. Your method sounds interesting. Is
>I'm sorry if this is way off topic. I'm going to be doing two
there somewhere that I can learn this stitch? Thanks.<BR>
><BR>Marquesa Laurellin's webpage:
shows a prick stitch, but it isn't the stitch I use. I use a
variant of the stitch shown above it - the overhand type of hemming
stitch but executed in tiny stitches, or a variant of the blind hem
stitch shown. It's really quite simple, just take a few pieces of
fabric and practice - try for making the stitches small enough just
to barely be seen.
PS. Lots of good info on Laurellin's page on several topics -
worth a good look if you have never been to the Renaissance Tailor
>"Katherine Barich" <wheezul@...> wrote:<BR>
>>I have hated to line garments for soooooo long, that I think
>>have finally learned to master this beast.<BR>the<BR>
>>The last liripipe hood I made, although it wasn't dagged, had
>>lining 'pricked in' which is at least an Elizabethan methodof<BR>
>>Instead of laying the fabrics right side together, sewing,<BR>
>>clipping, turning and pressing the garment, the lining is
>>to the outer fabric with tiny almost invisible overhandstitches<BR>
>>(prick stitch), while turning the edges in as you go after<BR>outer<BR>
>>preliminary pinning. Usually a 1/16" to 1/8" egde of the
>>fabric shows on the inside which is achieved by pulling thelining<BR>
>>up a little further than the outer fabric. This means yourlining<BR>
>>won't show on the outside! Some people can achieve this by<BR>but<BR>
>>cutting the lining a wee bit smaller than the outside fabric,
>>I personally find it difficult achieve as nice a finish usinga<BR>
>>machine - could be just me though. I know you could finishdags<BR>
>>with narrow pieces this way without having to worry about<BR>extra<BR>
>>turnings. I use this method almost exclusively now, the
>>time it takes generally is made up for in satisfaction ofnear<BR>
>>perfection and not having to tear the whole darn thing backapart<BR>
>>(again). There is a certain zen to this method, and I reallylike<BR>
>>to stand back and admire the beauty of the finish work. Itis<BR>
>>considered a couture finish.<BR>undertaking<BR>
>>I think the most important watch point in any lining
>>is accurate cutting. I now cut one piece and cut the otherpiece<BR>
>>using the already cut piece as a pattern, using the iron tohelp,<BR>
>>if fabric allows (i.e. velvets can be tricky).<BR>done<BR>
>>You can now stone me for obsession, but I must admit I have
>>some elaborate slashed sleeves and bodices although haven'tbeen<BR>
>>so crazy as to do a full dagged houppelande.<BR><BR>
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- --- Katherine Barich <wheezul@...> wrote:
<snipped> I use a variant of the stitch shown above it
- the overhand type of hemming stitch but executed in
tiny stitches, or a variant of the blind hem stitch
shown. It's really quite simple, just take a few
pieces of fabric and practice - try for making the
stitches small enough just to barely be seen.<<<<<
That's the same method I use - my mother, who was a
professional seamstress, showed me how to do it and it
works a treat. so far I've only used it to sew down
linings on a bodice.
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>Also, for sinfully easy dags, use fulled wool (or ifyou >can't bear wool and the "look" is sufficient,
heathery >polartec.) You just cut them
>dags out any old way you please; no hemming, no edgeThanks for all the great advice!! I like the 'no
>treatments, no long hours at the sewing machine.
sewing dags' idea a LOT!(:
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- Well, I was really inspired by Katherine's description of 'pricking'
in the lining of garments, and the possibility that this could be
applied to dags.
I hadn't at the time ever made anything with dags...
True "inspiration" came when my apprentice brother was put on vigil
and my master declared that "we" would make a set of clothes for him
from the skin out. As a huntsman and falconer, he wanted to look
like the falconer from the Devonshire tapestries (which only shows a
view from the back!). To the ensemble, my master added a dagged hood
to match the cote, ala the Gaston Phoebus (Book of the Hunt)
So here's my story of the perfect dags, proving that I can take
complete and unashamed advantage of modern products to produce a
period look when properly motivated. (Yes, master. By next Saturday?
With handmade fabric buttons? Certainly, master!)
The hood was made of dark green cotton velveteen, with a dark blue
silk lining. The dags were to look like oak leaves. There were 30
of them. I tried out some samples...
First I tried the Draw it, sew the two layers together, cut out, snip
curves, turn and press method. For some reason they always came out
oddly shaped - rather narrower and not as curvy as I wanted, and it
was hard to get them fully turned out.
Next, I considered how to 'prick in' a lining around lots of curvy
curves while controlling two seam allowances... I cut the shapes out,
and laid them together right sides out, snipped the curves and tried
to fold them in together along a drawn line while stitching them
together by hand. I wasted a lot of time trying to poke the two seam
allowances under while checking that I was staying true to the
intended shape. It looked good! It just needed to be more efficient
and less frustrating.
So here's the method I finally used. I can't say how much time it
saved in the end, but it did save frustration and I was able to
produce some very uniform dags with it.
I inserted the shoulder gussets, but otherwise sewed the dags BEFORE
assembling the hood. It was a bit awkward, but worked for me. YMMV.
I used freezer paper, and cut out the bottom of the hood pattern,
from the dags up about 3". Four times for the hood (left and right
for velvet and lining each), and the same for the shoulder gussets.
When I traced the pattern onto the freezer paper, I made sure that I
turned the pattern OVER to trace the set for the lining - no pattern
is ever perfectly symmetrical, right? The shiny side of the freezer
paper could then be ironed onto the wrong side of the fabrics,
providing a nice paper edge against which to later turn the seam
allowances. I cut out the dag shapes, leaving about 1/4" of seam
allowance, and snipped the curves. Here's the truly sinful part. I
laid out the hood pieces with their paper-covered dags, and sprayed
all around the dags with fabric adhesive. (The washable kind! Do
this one portion at a time, as the glue dries and doesn't stick as
well.) Now I could fold up the seam allowances against the paper
edging, and stick them right to the paper. I did this for both the
velvet and the mirror image lining. Then I lined them both up and
stuck the lining to the velvet, wrong sides together, right side out.
Now all I had to do was hand stitch the edges together. For the most
part, the seam allowances stayed stuck under where they belonged, but
when they came out it wasn't so hard to tuck them back under again.
The paper gave me a nice firm edge to fold them against, and the
adhesive stayed tacky. The stitching took me about 10-12 hours in
itself. When I was finished, I filled my bathtub with warm water and
a little soap and let the two halves of the hood soak for a several
hours. Then I could reach in and gently pull the paper out of each
dag. I rinsed, rolled them up in a towel and laid them out to dry.
A light touch with the iron, and... Perfect Dags. :)
I assembled the hood, sewing lining to lining, velvet to velvet,
leaving open around the face opening and down the chin (where buttons
would be added later) for turning. I sewed this last part by hand
and it was finished!
For truly period dags, I still think fulled wool was the way to go,
but I had to work within certain restrictions.
Here are a bunch of pictures from the event. He made all the hunting
accessories to complete the look he wanted. I think he looked great.
- Oh, I forgot to say (but maybe it's assumed) you can click on any of
the pictures for a bigger version.
shows the hood really well. ;)
- Wonderful hood, Emma! Looks like your technique worked great!
who should really be trying it herself.....
--- In SCA-Milliners@y..., Cindy Myers <emmelyne@s...> wrote:
> Oh, I forgot to say (but maybe it's assumed) you can click on any
> the pictures for a bigger version.
> shows the hood really well. ;)