Re: Matheron Triptych hood?
> I'm wondering if the henins with lappets are worn over this styleof
> hood? The back of the hood is form fitting to the lady's head anda
> hat could fit over it.That's exactly what I was thinking. I'd eventually like to make a
hennin, and thought maybe this piece would be a good base article.
The hood would be a very sturdy base, and the lappets would
counterweight the hennin. Also, as I'm wearing this for camping next
weekend, it might be a nice "in camp" look, then when the public
comes by for the demo (other events, not this one) I can put on the
hennin and explain.
> For the double lappet look could you pleat back the hood front pinin
> it and get the double fold look? You would not have to have a
> really deep front either. A few hidden pins could hold the pleat
> place. The paining is a bit dark to get a lot of details.Yeah, I know. :-) Wish I could see the original. This is what I
originally pictured when I saw the hood. Of course, I'm coming at it
from a generally earlier 15th century background, so I would see
a "hood". As Rashid pointed out, it would have to be an accordian
pleat, which is what I was actually imagining. A hood, made very
deep and designed to pleat twice. It would explain what looks like a
double fold to me.
You know, it might not even need that much to hold it - I'm going to
do it in a heavy wool, that holds its shape pretty well. Ah, the
joys of fulled wool - don't need to finish the edges! :-D
Link again, just in case people don't still have it...
My only worry now is that the style is too late for me. The painting
is attributed at 1474, and my group portrays 1471. 3 years off I'm
willing to do, especially because it has the look (to me) of what
could be under a contemporary henin. But if it's just a precursor to
the later French hood, maybe Jeanne de Laval was more chic than I
give her credit for. She's a queen, I'm only a minor gentlewoman.
Thanks for the links!
The good news is, the dress that this is going with is done! I'll
post pics as soon as I get them uploaded (the other computer is on
the blitz, though).
- Wonderful! Thank you for the links. That puts more context around it.
> The hoods seemed to be multi layer versus a multi folded lappetYes, these others definitely look like multi layer. It looks to me
like she has two folds at the front of her head. I wonder how to get
that without the aforementioned accordian pleating? I'll have to
play with it.
> I have found one example from England (http://www.mbs-*sigh* Unfortunatly, we have so LITTLE from England in the 15th
> brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Stokesby_Brass.htm ), but women were mostly
> depicted with a hennin like style ( http://www.mbs-
> brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/picture_library-jewellery.htm ).
century. Even the Web Gallery of Art has *nothing* for 1400-1500. If
anybody has more than these brasses, please let me know!
> --- In SCA-Milliners@yahoogroups.com, Cynthia Virtue<cvirtue@t...>
> > The wrinkles at the back of the head make me think it's soft,
> > firm/stiff like a truncated hennin.I was wondering, if it's gathered back there? Then if it stops at
the nape of the neck, or continues down like a 15th c hood?
And re: the Marie Chantal link:
I still haven't found the white hood, but I'll keep looking. She
really does have quite a site. I really enjoy all of her sources -
there's some artwork I just haven't seen elsewhere! Her theories on
breast binding are very interesting as well.