Re: Looking for books on subject
- Thanks for the infor. I can't wait to get started.
--- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Marian Walke <marian@...> wrote:
> Go with the primary sources, available in translation at your
> rather than secondary sources: Galen, Dioscorides, Hildegard von
> Albertus Magnus, William Turner, etc. These are the texts that
> herbalists and apothecaries studied. Reading modern herb books
> give you the same information and defininitely won't give you the
> John Gerard published his Herbal in 1593; Culpepper's Herbal did
> appear till 1660, so he's a bit late.
> Happy reading!
> --Old Marian
- I agree with using primary sources, and those are all good ones.
Here's one I'm playing with now, though it is slow going as it is in
the original French:
La Pharmacopee, 1588, M. Laurent Joubert, Professor of Medicine, Royal
Doctor and Chancellor of the University of Montpellier
However, I am also looking for info more directed to what apothecaries
did than what they studied. I've found a few relevant tidbits online,
inventory lists or tax records, but most are not in English. Can
anyone recommend good primary or secondary sources, preferably in
English, on pre-1600 apothecary practices?
Receipts are good, but also things like containers used to store and/or
display ingredients and products, how they were packaged after sale,
classic vs. proprietary blends (like powder fort or theriac), what we
think of today as non-medicinal preparations (like confections or
distilled waters), community status, role vs. physicians and home
caregivers, typical clients, training of apprentices, etc.
My impressions of those things are based on bits from tertiary sources,
discussions or speculation. I'd like a more solid understanding for
persona development, A&S projects and eventually a research paper or
article, so this is a long term project. Good tertiary overviews with
bibliographies I can mine would be great too. I'm armed with ILL
forms, ready to research, and would appreciate any and all
> Go with the primary sources, available in translation at yourkatraofdragonslair wrote:
> library, rather than secondary sources: Galen, Dioscorides, Hildegard
> von Bingen, Albertus Magnus, William Turner, etc. These are the texts
> that Medieval herbalists and apothecaries studied. Reading modern
> herb books won't give you the same information and defininitely won't
> give you the same flavor. John Gerard published his Herbal in 1593;
> Culpepper's Herbal did not appear till 1660, so he's a bit late.
> I am from the Kingdom of Caid and I am looking for books on the____________________________________________________________________________________
> subject of herbalism and apothecaries of the middle ages. I am trying
> to get a head start on Pentatholon 2009. Any help would be great.
> Katra of Dragons Lair
> Kingdom of Caid.
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- --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, Terri Spencer <tarats@...> wrote:
> . . . I am also looking for info more directed to what apothecariesTerri, I have found a small example for you. This is from a book
> did than what they studied. I've found a few relevant tidbits online,
> inventory lists or tax records, but most are not in English. Can
> anyone recommend good primary or secondary sources, preferably in
> English, on pre-1600 apothecary practices?
titled "The Parlement of Pratlers", a book of dialogs written by John
Eliot and published in 1591. These were examples in French and
English of the sort of conversations a young man traveling in Europe
might need to know. The book was reissued in 1928, with just the
English wording (original inconsistent spelling preserved). Pages
IOHN: Poticarie, haue you made my drinke?
APOTICARIE: Who prescribed you this receipt?
IOHN: Tis maister Doctor.
APOTICARIE: What Doctor?
IOHN: Will you know? Know you not the hand?
APOTICARIE: No truly.
IOHN: Albertus Magnus is the author. I haue translated it out of his
vvorks of the secrets of damsels.
APOTICARIE: Do you beleeue this monstrous lyar?
IOHN: Is he so great a lyar?
APOTICARIE: He sayth that there is vertue in stones, in hearbs, and in
vvords,to make men in loue vvith vvomen, and vvomen with men.
IOHN: No, no, tis another thing that I will do. I will coniure a
spirit, and will go invisible.
APOTICARIE: Let me see your Receit.
IOHN: Read it.
APOTICARIE: Take a Frogs tongue, and the blood of a bat. And how must
I vse them?
IOHN: Beat them vvell together in a morter.
APOTICARIE: Doth it bind or loose?
IOHN: Yea, yea, and make a man go to the &c. lustily. Take then a
violl and stop it well. Whats that vvithin that box there?
APOTICARIE: Tis pepper or Ginger.
ION: VVhat haue you vvithin this great sacke?
APOTICARIE: They are cloues, nutmegs, saffron, cynnimon and almonds.
IOHN: What fine drogues are vvithin those boxes there bepainted with
shapes of Harpies, of hares, of flying horses and flying harts?
APOTICARIE: There is within them, balme, ambre, amomum, muske, ciuet,
perles and other precious drugs.
IOHN: Haue you no preseruatiue against the disease? you know vvhat I
APOTICARIE: Lay an emplaister to it.
IOHN: You neede no other Treacle for that.
APOTICARIE: I dare not purge, for the time is not good. Haue you a
IOHN: I am alwaies bound in my bellie almost, bring me a glister to
APOTICARIE: I vnderstand you well now, let me alone.
IOHN: Farewell till to morrow morning.
So there is a picture of the shop with supplies in sacks and boxes
(some painted with identifying pictures), vials to contain mixtures
the apothecary makes up, and a list of some of the items available for
his use. Also we see that a common complaint was constipation -- and
considering how much of the diet was bread and porridge, how little of
it (for the city dweller) was vegetables, is not surprising. I think I
detect a reference to venereal disease as well.
I find this sort of thing fascinating!