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  • gianottadallafiora
    The recipe is a bit out of period, but not terribly so. It s from Alethea Talbot s Natura Exenterata, published in 1655. I assume when she says leaves, we
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      The recipe is a bit out of period, but not terribly so. It's from Alethea Talbot's Natura
      Exenterata, published in 1655. I assume when she says "leaves," we would say
      "petals."

      To make Oyl of roses.
      Take a pound and half of red Rose leaves, cut away the whites, and
      stamp them small, and put them in a glasse or earthen pot; put
      thereto a quart of Oyl Olive; and let the glasse be full of Oyl and
      leaves within an inch of the top, then stop it close with paste, that
      no air come into it, and set the glasse in a pot full of Water, as high
      as the Oyl is, and no higher; and set the glasse fast that it fal not,
      with some Hay under it at that it break not, and let it seeth in the
      pot til the water be half wasted; then take the pot from the fire, and
      let the glasse stand in it without removing til it be cold, afterward
      take out the glas and pour out the Oyl, and put it in another glas,
      and put fresh rose leaves to it. This manner is to be obseved in
      making Oyl of all other Herbs.


      I used a similar recipe to produce the oil for the hand cream I just made.
    • Eleyn Scrivener
      So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it might burst? Just curious. : ) Eleyn Scrivener eleyn@thesinisterscribe.com
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        So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it might burst?

        Just curious. : )

        Eleyn Scrivener
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        From: "gianottadallafiora" <christianetrue@...>
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        Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:42:26 -0000

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        >The recipe is a bit out of period, but not terribly so. It's from Alethea Talbot's Natura <BR>
        >Exenterata, published in 1655. I assume when she says "leaves," we would say <BR>
        >"petals."<BR>
        ><BR>
        >To make Oyl of roses.<BR>
        >Take a pound and half of red Rose leaves, cut away the whites, and<BR>
        >stamp them small, and put them in a glasse or earthen pot; put<BR>
        >thereto a quart of Oyl Olive; and let the glasse be full of Oyl and<BR>
        >leaves within an inch of the top, then stop it close with paste, that<BR>
        >no air come into it, and set the glasse in a pot full of Water, as high<BR>
        >as the Oyl is, and no higher; and set the glasse fast that it fal not,<BR>
        >with some Hay under it at that it break not, and let it seeth in the<BR>
        >pot til the water be half wasted; then take the pot from the fire, and<BR>
        >let the glasse stand in it without removing til it be cold, afterward<BR>
        >take out the glas and pour out the Oyl, and put it in another glas,<BR>
        >and put fresh rose leaves to it. This manner is to be obseved in<BR>
        >making Oyl of all other Herbs. <BR>
        ><BR>
        ><BR>
        >I used a similar recipe to produce the oil for the hand cream I just made.<BR>
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      • gianottadallafiora
        ... might burst? ... When I said similar method, I heated up my jar in the sun. My crockery jar has its own lid, which acts more like the cover of a pot than
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          --- In SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com, "Eleyn Scrivener" <eleyn@t...> wrote:
          > So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it
          might burst?
          >
          > Just curious. : )
          >
          > Eleyn Scrivener
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          When I said "similar method," I heated up my jar in the sun. My crockery jar has its
          own lid, which acts more like the cover of a pot than a cork -- it's not air-tight, so
          heating it in a double boiler fashion on the stove would have worked and not blown
          the lid off or made the jar burst.

          Gianotta
        • Eleyn Scrivener
          Ahhh! Thanks for the clarification. I can t wait to have enough rose petals to try something like this. Thanks again, Eleyn Scrivener
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            Ahhh!

            Thanks for the clarification. I can't wait to have enough rose petals to try something like this.

            Thanks again,

            Eleyn Scrivener
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            From: "gianottadallafiora" <christianetrue@...>
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            Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:56:26 -0000

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            >> So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it <BR>
            >might burst?<BR>
            >> <BR>
            >> Just curious. : )<BR>
            >> <BR>
            >> Eleyn Scrivener<BR>
            >> eleyn@t...<BR>
            >> <a href="http://www.thesinisterscribe.com">http://www.thesinisterscribe.com</a><BR>
            >> <BR>
            >When I said "similar method," I heated up my jar in the sun. My crockery jar has its <BR>
            >own lid, which acts more like the cover of a pot than a cork -- it's not air-tight, so <BR>
            >heating it in a double boiler fashion on the stove would have worked and not blown <BR>
            >the lid off or made the jar burst.<BR>
            ><BR>
            >Gianotta<BR>
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          • Elena Wen
            Would using dried rose petals work or is too much of the essential oil diminished when the petals are dried? Elani Eleyn Scrivener
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              Would using dried rose petals work or is too much of the essential oil diminished when the petals are dried?
              Elani

              Eleyn Scrivener <eleyn@...> wrote:
              Ahhh!

              Thanks for the clarification. I can't wait to have enough rose petals to try something like this.

              Thanks again,

              Eleyn Scrivener
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              From: "gianottadallafiora" <christianetrue@...>
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              Date:  Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:56:26 -0000

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              >> So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it <BR>
              >might burst?<BR>
              >> <BR>
              >> Just curious. : )<BR>
              >> <BR>
              >> Eleyn Scrivener<BR>
              >> eleyn@t...<BR>
              >> <a href="http://www.thesinisterscribe.com">http://www.thesinisterscribe.com</a><BR>
              >> <BR>
              >When I said "similar method," I heated up my jar in the sun. My crockery jar has its <BR>
              >own lid, which acts more like the cover of a pot than a cork -- it's not air-tight, so <BR>
              >heating it in a double boiler fashion on the stove would have worked and not blown <BR>
              >the lid off or made the jar burst.<BR>
              ><BR>
              >Gianotta<BR>
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            • Giudo di Niccolo Brunelleschi
              Just from personal experience, I d say fresh only based on how this recipe is written. I ve never been able to get much of anything in the way of essential
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                Just from personal experience, I'd say fresh only based on how this recipe is written. I've never been able to get much of anything in the way of essential oils out of dried petals.
                 
                But this is just my US$.02 worth.
                Giudo di Niccolo

                Elena Wen <elena_wen0130@...> wrote:
                Would using dried rose petals work or is too much of the essential oil diminished when the petals are dried?
                Elani


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              • Jody
                I use dried rose petals for a variety of applications. When they dry, quite a good bit of the attar remains, if not much essential oil. That being the case,
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                  I use dried rose petals for a variety of applications.  When they dry, quite a good bit of the attar remains, if not much essential oil.  That being the case, they come back to life quite nicely.  That being said, fresh would naturally have more essential oil but also alot of water.  For me, its a toss up, which would I rather deal with.
                   
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                  From: Elena Wen
                  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:33 AM
                  Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Re: Oyl of roses

                  Would using dried rose petals work or is too much of the essential oil diminished when the petals are dried?
                  Elani

                  Eleyn Scrivener <eleyn@...> wrote:
                  Ahhh!

                  Thanks for the clarification. I can't wait to have enough rose petals to try something like this.

                  Thanks again,

                  Eleyn Scrivener
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                  >> So,did you seal up the jar with the rose petals and oil? I would have thought it <BR>
                  >might burst?<BR>
                  >> <BR>
                  >> Just curious. : )<BR>
                  >> <BR>
                  >> Eleyn Scrivener<BR>
                  >> eleyn@t...<BR>
                  >> <a href="http://www.thesinisterscribe.com">http://www.thesinisterscribe.com</a><BR>
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                  >When I said "similar method," I heated up my jar in the sun. My crockery jar has its <BR>
                  >own lid, which acts more like the cover of a pot than a cork -- it's not air-tight, so <BR>
                  >heating it in a double boiler fashion on the stove would have worked and not blown <BR>
                  >the lid off or made the jar burst.<BR>
                  ><BR>
                  >Gianotta<BR>
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                • jenne@fiedlerfamily.net
                  Giannotta, I noted with pleasure the documentation you produced for the A&S competition at Hartshorndale this past weekend. Would you be willing to post it to
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                    Giannotta,
                    I noted with pleasure the documentation you produced for the A&S
                    competition at Hartshorndale this past weekend. Would you be willing to
                    post it to the list or the files section, or even let us post it on the EK
                    guild page?

                    -- Jadwiga

                    > The recipe is a bit out of period, but not terribly so. It's from Alethea Talbot's Natura
                    > Exenterata, published in 1655. I assume when she says "leaves," we would say
                    > "petals."
                    >
                    > To make Oyl of roses.
                    > Take a pound and half of red Rose leaves, cut away the whites, and
                    > stamp them small, and put them in a glasse or earthen pot; put
                    > thereto a quart of Oyl Olive; and let the glasse be full of Oyl and
                    > leaves within an inch of the top, then stop it close with paste, that
                    > no air come into it, and set the glasse in a pot full of Water, as high
                    > as the Oyl is, and no higher; and set the glasse fast that it fal not,
                    > with some Hay under it at that it break not, and let it seeth in the
                    > pot til the water be half wasted; then take the pot from the fire, and
                    > let the glasse stand in it without removing til it be cold, afterward
                    > take out the glas and pour out the Oyl, and put it in another glas,
                    > and put fresh rose leaves to it. This manner is to be obseved in
                    > making Oyl of all other Herbs.
                    >
                    >
                    > I used a similar recipe to produce the oil for the hand cream I just made.
                    >
                    >
                    >
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