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8275Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Mithril's injuries and what they would have done in period?

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  • psn3748@comcast.net
    Aug 5, 2011

      i had taken a class 20+ yrs from Dr. James Duke - one of the reknown herbalists of our mundane time - when i asked him about some of the information i had been reading regarding comfrey and it's carcinogenic levels - his response to me - "comfrey taken internally has only half the carcinogens that the mustard you put on your hotdog does - the thing to remember - comfrey doesn't have a lobby in washington".   since then i've used comfrey for numrous things both externally and internally with no problems or issues.





      From: "Charlie Farrow" <charlie.farrow@...>
      To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:00:26 PM
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Mithril's injuries and what they would have done in period?


      Regarding the hepatotoxicity of pyrrolizidine-alkaloid-containing plants such as Comfrey please see Jonathan Treasure's definitive article reproduced by Henriette Kress.

      On 23 February 2011 19:57, Amy Provost <sparrowhawk9@...> wrote:

      There is one study that implicates a carcinogenic component of comfrey, which moved the FDA to ban it in the US for internal use.  This study, in my opinion, does not take into account the hundreds of other constituents in the plant that counterbalance and negate the effects of that component.  The fact of the matter is that the plant has safely been used internally for over 2000 years.  I've used it, and herbal friends have used it to cut down the bone mending time by about 1/3.  I believe the German Commision E recommends limiting usage to under 6 weeks.  For an otherwise healthy person, there should not be issues of short term consumption.  It is processed by the liver, so caution is advised if combining with other medications, especially NSAIDS.  Externally, it's a fantastic healer too.

      On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Alyson <tolkienscholar@...> wrote:

      There seems to be a controversy surrounding comfrey: Should comfrey be taken internally? I personally do not use it internally, but some do. Does anyone have any research or evidence that supports the use (or not) of comfrey internally? I know that many herbs considered "toxic" are toxic at high doses but were deemed toxic because they produced hallucinogenics or were aphrodisiacs or had non-Christian associations (I'm referring to medieval here). Comfery in not an herb that shows up on my radar of controversial medieval herbs. I'm more of a dittany, mandragora and daturia woman.
      Cempestra O'Breoniann
      One cannot silly-walk into Mordor.

      From: Amy Provost <sparrowhawk9@...>
      To: SCA-Herbalist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 9:27:29 AM
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Herbalist] Mithril's injuries and what they would have done in period?


      Off the top of my head, I would think myrhh and calendula for topical infection/wound treatment, comfrey internally for potential break, and willow for pain (might as well just let them chew on a branch).
      Hope your bird's okay - they can be so testy when in breeding mode!


      On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Lady Biya <aisinbiya@...> wrote:

      Hello all. Monday night my two cockatoos had a fight...the kind of
      nasty fight that meant I spend all of yesturday afternoon at the

      My male, Aragorn, decided that my female, Mithril, should NOT get a
      turn on their eggs in their nest box and he very very aggressively
      attacked her. He bite her right thigh, causing what turned out to be
      a moderate flesh wound and a possible hairline fracture of the bone
      (the doctor did not want to x-ray until the swelling went down and she
      could perch). She's in a lot of pain and the doctor prescribed
      metacam for her twice a day which is apparently this very very new
      NSAID that is safe for dogs, cats, and birds that helps with both pain
      and swelling. Even with medication, she's having trouble grasping her
      perch with the right leg or putting weight on it.

      But it makes me wonder...aviculture has been part of human societies
      for thousands of years. And cockatoos have always been the most
      prized of all aviculture birds. In Germany, Frederick II's cockatoo
      was the talk of 13th century europe. That bird probably received
      better care than half of his subjects (and was worth more than most of
      them too!). The Chinese had been raising cockatoos since at least the
      7th century, but cockatoo aviculture is still difficult--they really
      are the hardest of the parrots to deal with behaviorially! Most
      people cannot handle their personalities (the phrase velcro bird
      applies!) which can include frequent and vicious biting from temper
      tantrums when they don't get what they want--which could just be "you
      dared pay attention to something besides ME just now!"

      rofl...after 15 years of cockatoos, may I say that they are NOT easy
      birds to deal with?! (receives bite in ear for typing).

      But being so valuable...they would have had to have ways of first,
      dealing with these squabbles with their mates (i cannot imagine
      Mithril is the only cockatoo to be bitten by her mate in aviculture!)
      and second, treating the injuries so they were not lethal nor

      If I were my persona and it was 1185 (or pick your persona's year,
      please!), how would we be dealing with Mithril's leg injuries to keep
      her from going lame over a flesh wound and a possible minor break in
      her leg? How would we deal with this? This bird is JUST ENTERING
      adulthood. she's barely more than a baby!

      What would we do to keep her from spending the decades of her
      remaining life from being filled with pain?

      Herbalism had to have been applied to a veterinary context! Too many
      animals were too valuable for too many reasons!

      Was there a way to gently disinfect a wound in period? or would they,
      even in the far east, even thought about washing a bloody wound on a
      valuable bird?



      Charlie Farrow

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