- ... figure ... the ... serious... ... know- ... something ... Me ... Hi! 1300ish Welsh/English man would have worn the universal T-tunic style worn in allMessage 1 of 8 , Feb 1, 2002View Source--- In SCA-Garb@y..., "bonassias" <bonassias@y...> wrote:
> Now I've done it. I volunteered to make some garb for a friend offigure
> mine.He's an archer and fletcher. His persona is 1300ish
> Welsh/English. Physically, he is 6 feet tall, very slender.No
> problems. Wont wear tights. I already tried. :( Looks a lot likethe
> elf in LOTR with short hair and a goatee. Whoo hoo! Now beserious...
> would -you- have said no? So I have no knowledge of mens clothingknow-
> whatsoever... not a problem...
> ACK! Problem is I have absolutely no idea where to even begin
> researching! I have about three weeks before the first event I -
> of that he would need something to wear.( I'm already reworking asomething
> cloak he has to make it wearable.) I can make him a basic t tunic,
> yes? Heck, is that what he would wear anyhoo? What about
> more appropriate to his time/persona? Does anyone have a favoriteMe
> link? Oh help! Not enough time and a big ol honkin learning curve.
> and my big mouth :|Hi!
> In a panic but happy to be there -
1300ish Welsh/English man would have worn the universal T-tunic style
worn in all Europe. He would have worn knee-length or higher hose,
not tights. If you make the tunics long enough, your friend doesn't
have to wear hose at all.
To see what was worn look at Manesse Codex:
To see some clothes from period look at Marc Carlson's pages:
or Maggie Forest's site:
To see how to cut them from modern fabric look at Lady Muireann ingen
Eoghain ua Maoil Mheaghna's article 'T-tunic' - the period way:
and Kass's Beginners page:
These tunics are actually really simple to make. :) Here's another
page that might be of use:
Oh! Just in case he'll agree to wear hose and proper underware (for
his period) in the future here are some relevant pages:
Anneke van deme Boerne
- Wonderful links ! Thank you all!I have a LOT more info and have a shot at making yon elfling lad something decent to wear. I printed out dozens of pages to myMessage 2 of 8 , Feb 1, 2002View SourceWonderful links ! Thank you all!I have a LOT more info and have a
shot at making yon elfling lad something decent to wear. I printed
out dozens of pages to my sons delight. I saw some things I HOPE
he'll go for. It's downright spooky. I saw more than a few men in
the miniatures that my elf friend is a dead ringer for. Having seen
those links, I don't think I could make him anything else. -This- is
going to be fun >:)
I am just a hew hours away from finishing my first " real" t tunic
undergown. Cut the "right" way, no raw edges exposed or anything! OK
I cheated. I used itty bitty french seams on it and I did the skirt
seams and the main sleeve seam by machine. Cant get a gusset in by
machine yet though :( BUT moi is very pleased with it, except for
Problem : I made it out of LIGHT cotton to better survive Ansteorran
summers. Rather like a very fine fine cheescloth.( My wee son calls
it " Mamma's clear dress".) It has -0-= body to it. Limp as it can
be. It feels like nothing on which is a huge plus for summer when
one's persona requires layers and one's vanity wont let you fake the
I put a deep keyhole on it to help fill out the immense v neckline of
the bliauts I make. The Queen of Sheba and associated statues I am
pulling from show either no closings on the keyhole neck or fastened
with a brooch of some kind at the neck. My gown is so light weight
it floats hither thither and yon at the neck due to the depth of the
slit and the opennesss of the bliaut neckline.
How to fasten it at the top? A brooch would be way too heavy, even a
regular pin puts a gaping hole in the fabric. I think it would tear
out in a days wearing. Would a tie of some kind be ok? I think I'm
too early ( 1200 ) for a button? I thought maybe even a bead sewn on
with a teeny loop to go over it? Still too early?
I'm going to embroider around the neck where there are multiple
thicknesses at the very edge. Should I wait and see it the additional
weight of the thread makes it lay down before futzing with a closure?
I'm afraid the extra weight will just pull the sides down and I'll
have -another- v neck and miles of skin exposed.
- Look up Heather Rose Jones (Mistress Tangwystyl) for some of her articles on Welsh clothing up to 1300. I work primarily with Welsh Border March area forMessage 3 of 8 , Feb 3, 2002View SourceLook up Heather Rose Jones (Mistress Tangwystyl) for some of her articles on Welsh clothing up to 1300.
I work primarily with Welsh Border March area for roughtly the same time frame as you are looking at. Look at a cotehardie about knee length for him and if he won't wear braes, give him some not-too-loose fitting pants. He'd belt the cotehardie around his hips and you could button it down to the waist or all the way down or lace it. A hood with a mid-chest deep hood is appropriate as well.
Wools and linens would be the most appropriate fabrics, or use a corduroy. Welsh archers became well-known for wearing parti-coloured tunics about this time as well, showing their allegiance to a lord through livery. It can be vertically split or split horizontally at the waist. Another good source would be "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince."
Here's a look at what I made for last year's tourney season (our 18th anniversary event):
I've gotten some more info since then, but it's a more than reasonable attempt. *grin*
the long distant wolfcat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] ack! guy garb help
>>Now I've done it. I volunteered to make some garb for a friend of
mine.He's an archer and fletcher. His persona is 1300ish
Welsh/English. Physically, he is 6 feet tall, very slender.No figure
problems. Wont wear tights. I already tried. :( Looks a lot like the
elf in LOTR with short hair and a goatee. Whoo hoo! Now be serious...
would -you- have said no?
Of course not. Now, you did tell him that we'll need some pictures in order to...ahem...size up the situation?
Just kidding. I don't think tights are necessary, just close fitting pants. Maybe a nice jerkin with buttons?
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Never allow yourself to be made a victim.
Accept no one's definition of your life;
define yourself." - Harvey Fierstein
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