- Want to hear something strange? i made my first garb from the instructions in Forward Into the Past and still finds it works! If you don t mind taking a lotMessage 1 of 10 , Oct 2, 2007View SourceWant to hear something strange? i made my first garb from the instructions
in Forward Into the Past and still finds it works!
If you don't mind taking a lot of measurements and then just adding for wear
ease, those instructions work nicely.
I learned the hard way about wear ease on my first garb! Always always
always add a couple inches or more to your measurements when plotting out
tunic dresses on fabric! ;)
for first garb, a basic tunic dress usually works. It can become your
underdress for later when you decide what you want to play. I still wear
basic tunic dresses as my base layer and just put my chinese stuff over it
which i make from a Folkwear Pattern. ;)
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- ... direction ... as far as ... Medieval ... Depending on what timeframe you are looking for you may not even need a commercial pattern, as many garments upMessage 2 of 10 , Oct 2, 2007View Source--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, quincydew@... wrote:
> I am fairly new to the SCA, could someone point me in the right
> for period patterns. Seems Butterick and Simplicity don't have muchas far as
> true fashion of the day. I'm done with the popular thoughts onMedieval
> clothing and ready to try making something more realistic.Depending on what timeframe you are looking for you may not even need a
> Annalise von Hoopsbain
commercial pattern, as many garments up through the 13th century are
made using variations of rectangles and triangles. If you want to do
more of a gothic fitted dress (often referred to as a cotehardie) you
can get someone to fit you and you end up with your own custom pattern.
- Thanks for all the replies ladies. Specifically I am looking for a cotehardie and sideless surcote I can wear together. In looking at all these differentMessage 3 of 10 , Oct 3, 2007View SourceThanks for all the replies ladies. Specifically I am looking for a
cotehardie and sideless surcote I can wear together. In looking at all these different
patterns though, I am a bit confused as to the difference between a
cotehardie, some tunics, and a kirtle. They all look similar. It seems that just
about anything is called a tunic. I have made about half a dozen t-tunics for
myself, husband, and 3 kids.
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- think of it like the dress your grandmother wore, and a dress you wear, looks quite a bit different, but they are all still dresses, unless you call it a frockMessage 4 of 10 , Oct 3, 2007View Sourcethink of it like the dress your grandmother wore, and a dress you
wear, looks quite a bit different, but they are all still dresses,
unless you call it a frock or a gown or .... It's been going on for
centuries. Garments evolve, the name doesn't always change, and then
you have people in one area that call it one thing and someone else in
another that calls it something else and so on.
all of which doesn't help explain the difference, if there is one,
just why the names are some times the same for different things, or
different names for the same thing.
On 10/3/07, quincydew@... <quincydew@...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies ladies. Specifically I am looking for a
> cotehardie and sideless surcote I can wear together. In looking at all these different
> patterns though, I am a bit confused as to the difference between a
> cotehardie, some tunics, and a kirtle. They all look similar. It seems that just
> about anything is called a tunic. I have made about half a dozen t-tunics for
> myself, husband, and 3 kids.
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I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or
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- Wow ... there are a lot of free ones online. :) Start here and see if any appeal to you. Remember that some of these links may not work, if not then go toMessage 5 of 10 , Oct 3, 2007View SourceWow ... there are a lot of free ones online. :)
Start here and see if any appeal to you. Remember that some of these links
may not work, if not then go to archive.org and see if there is an archived
copy there with the artwork for the patterns. Have fun!
http://www.virtue.to/articles/modern_patterns.html (listing of the best of
the commercial patterns)
http://stason.org/TULARC/crafts/historical-costuming/index.html (scroll past
the advertising to get to the good stuff)
to make a cotehardie.
http://list.uvm.edu/archives/sca-garb.html SCA Garb list By far the number
one stop on your journey to recreating clothing for the SCA. There is also a
mailing list that inspired this webpage. To subscribe to it send e-mail with
a blank subject and in the to: type in listserv@.... In the body of
the message put the subscribe SCA-garb along with your first and last name.
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Historic Costuming (all
periods not just SCA period, oldest known mailing list for costuming,
started as a news group internal to a university)
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/idxclothing.html Rialto Clothing Archives
A mecca of information on what others have made with detail on how.
t/tttintro.html Textiles Through Time Lots of text, not much visual
representation but if you stick with it you will learn a lot about that
piece of tapestry you have always admired.
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/textileres.html Textile Resources for the
Re-enactor The author calls this repository of information her filing
cabinet. Research mecca.
http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/COSTUME1_INDEX.HTML The History of Costume This
is a complete collection of the costuming book by Braun & Schneider. The
drawings are in full color. These representation are the victorian artists'
interpretation from paintings they were allowed to sit in front of and
sketch. It can be fun to try to identify what paintings the individual
people are from. Not to be taken literally as the Victorians embellished a
great deal. Use the paintings if you can find them instead as your guide.
http://www.milieux.com/costume/ Milieux: The Costume Site (Historical and
Fantasy Resources) This place is a repository of links to everything
costuming on the web. The most complete collection so far. She has links to
pages that search engines do not have indexed. Use the historical ones for
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/viktunic.html Viking Tunic Construction
This is probably the very best instruction step by step method of making a
Another avenue are mailing lists for a specific type of costume:
http://list.uvm.edu/archives/sca-garb.html OTHER SCA Garb list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aotc/ ageofthecotehardie This list is for
people who enjoy studying, discussing, or recreating history...Mainly 14th
century life, dress, politics, etc. There is another list with extensive
archives that this list will tell you how to get to.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elizabeth-Garb Elizabethan Garb
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Costume_Closet General Costuming
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=costume All Yahoo! Costume groups
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GermanRenCostume German Renaissance Costuming
From: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: [SCA-Garb] Period patterns?
I am fairly new to the SCA, could someone point me in the right direction
for period patterns. Seems Butterick and Simplicity don't have much as far
true fashion of the day. I'm done with the popular thoughts on Medieval
clothing and ready to try making something more realistic.
Annalise von Hoopsbain
- ... The closest commercial pattern of which I am aware is Burda 7977 . IfMessage 6 of 10 , Oct 3, 2007View SourceAnnalise von Hoopsbain wrote:
> I am fairly new to the SCA, could someone point me in the rightand later:
> direction for period patterns.
> Specifically I am looking for a cotehardie and sideless surcote I canThe closest commercial pattern of which I am aware is Burda 7977
> wear together.
If you're in the U.S., check for Burda patterns where Simplicity
patterns are sold. (Simplicity is Burda's U.S. distributer, so you can
often find them in the same places--like my local Jo-Ann's Fabrics and
Burda patterns are also available from many online vendors. Number
7977 can be found for $7 at SewingPatterns.com, for instance
for $12 at The Sewing Place
PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4678> and PatternReview.com
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
- ... seems that just ... It is confusing what they are all called. Partly depends on the language and time period. A tunic is a garment which covers the bodyMessage 7 of 10 , Oct 3, 2007View Source--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, quincydew@... wrote:
> I am a bit confused as to the difference between aseems that just
> cotehardie, some tunics, and a kirtle. They all look similar. It
> about anything is called a tunic.It is confusing what they are all called. Partly depends on the
language and time period.
A tunic is a garment which covers the body and at least part of the
legs and does not have a waist seam, darts, or much fitting or
shaping in the body. It does have sleeves which may be set in
straight or with slightly curved armholes. Authentic tunics can
have gores and gussets to provide some shaping. (and just to show
how confusing it is, they still call what I would call the "jacket"
on certain modern military uniforms the "tunic" possibly because
they are mad without a waist seam)
Kirtle comes from the archaic (IIRC Danish) word kjortel and in some
time periods and countries is just another name for tunic. But the
name is also applied to fitted undergowns and day dresses of the
tudor period that have a set in waist seam (ie, bodice with skirt
attached)and then returns to its roots in the Elizabethan kirtle
which is like a slightly fitted surcoat without a waist seam. So
you kind of need to know someone's context before you will have any
clue what they mean by kirtle.
Cotehardie is more time specific and means an extremely fitted,
short, man's garment from about 1350 to 1450 that buttons all the
way down and usually has buttons from wrist to elbow on the sleeve.
It is incorrectly used in the SCA to also refer to a fitted, bust-
supportive woman's dress with buttons all down the front and from
wrist to elbow on the sleeves. This dress is more correctly known
as a "gothic fitted dress" since we now know the cotehardie was the
name for the man's garment. We also now know that the lady's dress
with all the buttons was actually a short-sleeved overdress, worn
over a supportive dress (or cote) that laced in front and had lots
of buttons on the sleeves.
It is very confusing, and made worse by the fact that people who
aren't up on new research in the field still call things by the
- ... From: Coblaith Mhuimhneach To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb]Message 8 of 10 , Oct 12, 2007View Source
----- Original Message -----
From: "Coblaith Mhuimhneach" <Coblaith@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Garb] Period patterns?
> Annalise von Hoopsbain wrote:
>> I am fairly new to the SCA, could someone point me in the right
>> direction for period patterns.
> and later:
>> Specifically I am looking for a cotehardie and sideless surcote I can
>> wear together.
> The closest commercial pattern of which I am aware is Burda 7977
I've made Burda 7977 and the biggest piece of advice I would give is to cut
the underarm on the Cotehardie (I didn't make the sideless surcote) much
higher if you want it to be fitted. I didn't have time to make a mock-up of
mine but I raised the underarm by about an inch and even then it was way too
low for reasonable ease of movement. It would benefit a lot from a lining
(either full length or half lining) The sleeve pattern isn't actually
period, it's not a hugely obvious flaw, but the look of the dress could be
improved if the seam ran down the back of the arm not underneath the arm, if
you do opt to keep the sleeves as they are just make one layer sleeves,
don't bother with the over sleeve arrangement they suggest. Finally add
gores at the centre front and back as well (cutting the cnetre front on a
seam rather than a fold helps with that, mine was parti coloured so it had
to be a seam) you don't necessarily need to use the pattern pieces to cut
your gores, just cut 4 (or a multiple of 4) triangles of the required length
as full at the bottom as you can make them, round out the bottom of the
gores and insert them into the 4 seams.
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