Re: [SCA-ThrownWeapons] Proposal for a fourth Peerage(long)
> I am putting together a proposal for a fourth peerage to be sent to theDear God, Jon, will this idea ever die? IMNSHO, it stunk on ice the
> SCA BOD for their January meeting. It will be for skill in the related
> fields of non tournament martial activities, such as: Archery, equestrian,
> fencing, thrown weapons and war combat. War combat would include: Missile
> combat, siege engines, scouting, etc.
last (dozen) time it came up and it'll stink on ice again. We *don't*
need another 'specialty' peerage. We have too many already but
we'll never *reduce* the number we have. How about we work to
use the existing system to its fullest rather than adding more
mistakes to an already horrendous award system?
> I have set up a mailing list for discussion of this topic on Onelist. If*phew* =)
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> One point I would like to have discussed is: If non tournament heavy
> weapons such as pikes, should be included under war combat as well.
> Please hold off discussion of this until Oct 4th. This will allow more
> people to join before the discussion starts. Also, I will be gone for the
> weekend for West Crown Tourney.
> Thank you, I hope that you will join in this discussion.
> Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L.,O.P., etc
> West, Esffen
> The following is not official policy of the office of the SCA Archery or
> Earl Marshals.
> PROPOSAL FOR
> FOURTH PEERAGE
> THE ART OF WAR
> (draft #2 9/27/99
> There is a gap in the SCA peerage system. It is the area
> including those involved in the arts of war, such as: Fencing, target archery,
> equestrian, and non tournament war combat.
> The Order of Chivalry covers tournament combat. The laurel covers
> the arts and sciences. The Pelican covers service. But, those people
> whose skills lie outside of these areas have no society wide recognition
> at this level. This is an imbalance that should be corrected.
> The arts of war are uniquely important in the SCA because they are the
> basis for the most common interaction between kingdoms - the interkingdom
> wars and the multikingdom wars (Pennsic, etc).
> Yes, you can get a Laurel if you make the equipment for these
> activities, or a Pelican if you train others and organize these
> activities. But, unlike the Order of Chivalry, which is awarded for skill
> with the basic weapons of tournament combat as practiced in the SCA, you
> can not get recognition for your high skill in these areas. It would be
> as if, in tournament combat, you could only get a knighthood for making
> armor or weapons, marshaling, teaching fighters or writing papers on
> medieval combat, but not for your skill on the field of combat.
> The intent of this proposal, to be sent to the BOD, is for a new peerage
> order to provide recognition for those whose outstanding skills lie outside
> the current peerage orders. This is in the areas of: Equestrian activities,
> fencing, target archery, thrown weapons and war combat. War combat would
> include non tournament martial activities such as: missile combat, siege
> engineering and scouting. All of these can be placed together under the
> heading of the arts of war.
> A suitable name and badge for this order has not yet been worked
> out, that will come later.
> The new order would have the same general requirements as the
> other peerages. The following is from the Corpora, section VII Personal
> awards and titles.
> A. Patents of arms
> 1. General requirements. Candidates for any order conferring a
> Patent of Arms must meet the following minimum criteria.
> Additional requirements may be set by law and custom of the
> kingdoms as deemed appropriate and necessary by the Crown. .
> a. They shall have been obedient to the governing
> documents of the society and the laws of the kingdom.
> b. They shall have consistently shown respect for the
> Crown of the kingdom.
> c. They shall have set an example of courteous and noble
> behavior suitable to a peer of the realm.
> d. They shall have demonstrated support for the aims and
> ideals of the Society by being as authentic in dress,
> equipment and behavior as is within their power.
> e. They shall have shared their knowledge and skills with
> f. They shall have practiced hospitality according to
> their means and as appropriate to the circumstances.
> g. They shall have made every effort to learn and
> practice those skills desirable at and worthy of a
> civilized court. To this end they should have some
> knowledge of a wide range of period forms, including
> but not limited to literature, dancing, music,
> heraldry and chess, and they should have some familiarity
> with combat as practiced in the Society. They should
> also participate in Society recreations of several
> aspects of the culture of the Middle Ages and
> As taken from the Corpora the duties of the members of the order
> would include:
> a. To set an example of courtesy and chivalrous conduct.
> b. To respect the Crown of the kingdom; to support and
> uphold the laws of the kingdom and the governing documents
> of the Society;.
> c. (If the member has sworn fealty to the Crown) To
> support and uphold the Crown of his or her kingdom.
> d. To enrich the kingdom by sharing his or her knowledge
> and skills.
> e. To advise the Crown on the advancement of candidates
> for the (name of the order).
> The specific requirements (adapted from the Corpora) for the order would be:
> a. The candidate must have attained the standard of
> excellence in skill equal to that of his or her prospective
> peers in some area of the art of war.
> The definition of the art of war would be included in the Corpora as:
> Non tournament martial activities include the following
> areas: Target archery, fencing, equestrian activities,
> thrown weapons and war combat. War combat includes: combat
> missile weapons, siege engines and scouting.
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