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Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: period bows

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  • Carolus
    My Lady, This discussion is not reflective of SCA archery as a whole. What you are experiencing here is a small group of archers who recognize that SCA
    Message 1 of 21 , May 31, 2013
      My Lady,
      This discussion is not reflective of SCA archery as a whole.  What you are experiencing here is a small group of archers who recognize that SCA archery does not have as many accurate portrayals of period archery as we would like and wish to create something to encourage more people to take an interest in the more period aspects of archery.  I, for one, have been involved since AS XI; others in this discussion longer - some shorter but all with long experience.  Myself, I shoot a 35 year-old magnesium risered Olympic recurve stripped down to basic SCA standards and a reasonably period crossbow (and make them).  I am not terribly accurate in my portrayal but I study the cultural and technical aspects of period archry and know the difference.  My interest is not so much getting accurate re-enactment archers out there as it is educating archers to know what real period archery was, where the archer fit in society, and its historical perspective so that they know the difference from what they are doing. 

      Please do not let this single discussion dissuade you from becoming active in SCA archery. Learning to shoot with borrowed equipment will teach you basic skills without making a big investment.  Going out with some skilled archers and shopping for garage sale or flea market modern bows will teach you how to tell good equipment from bad.  Making a PVC bow is a great way to begin becoming a bowyer and is the essence of the SCA.  It doesn't matter how period you start, it matters that you do start.  Then you can learn what period archery is and how period you want to become.
      THL Carolus von Eulenhorst
      Caidan Master of Archers, Emeritus
      Order of the Chiron
      Order of the Argent Arrow

      On 5/31/2013 7:46 AM, patricia_foxx wrote:

      I am a newbee, and honestly, this discussion is impacting how I feel about joining the SCA. On one hand I totally understand the concept of "period" gear. On the other, I am unemployed at the moment, on a very limited budget, and I am working with what I have on hand. When the PVC bow idea came to me from a knight, I knew I would be able to do the archery affordably with materials I have on hand.

      I have a longing to shoot. I also enjoy being all dressed to period (thanks to my friend Christianna a 36 year vet of the SCA) I am able to dress the part. I understand what people are saying about period gear, but what happens if I am a lousy shooter? I would have spent a chunk of change on something that I wouldn't be using...Not a good idea at all...

      So I guess my question is this...should I just take my toys and go home or am I welcome to play with you guys? The way things are looking I should just take my toys and head out. I really hope this isn't the case, but if it is, so be it.


      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:
      > We are not trying to disallow fiberglass bows. We are talking about an Open
      > Division where they can be shot and and Period Division where they may or
      > may not be shot.
      > There are VERY few tourneys that are for Period Bows only, and where there
      > is, it is a specialty shoot that is shot in addition to the main shoot.
      > The only other place this counts is in the Royal Round and the IKAC
      > classification for the scores.
      > Vincenti
      > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Holly Decker <holly1051@...> wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > With all due respect, some people take many years to collect and/or make
      > > "period" garb and tents. Disallowing fiberglass bows will possibly be
      > > shoving out many a newbie AND "oldie".
      > > just my .02,
      > > Anna Mitrofanova
      > >
      > >
      > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM, richard johnson <rikjohnson39@...>wrote:
      > >
      > >> **
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> >>So we are back to the same argument and the same situation. If you can
      > >> replace entire limbs with fiberglass and then cover them with leather and
      > >> count them as period, why not take a bow that is all fiberglass, cover it
      > >> and have a longbow?
      > >>
      > >> I have one of those.that I found at a thrift store.
      > >> It is a green all-fiberglass bow that someone painted brown in an
      > >> attempt to make it 'look' like a wood longbow.
      > >>
      > >> BUT, it is still just a fiberglass bow with a rubber handle!
      > >>
      > >> I imagine that for a beginner who has not learned how or where to get
      > >> a wood longbow, this is the best that they could do. The 20' rule
      > >> applies.
      > >> But for someone like me with the finances and experience, it may be
      > >> seen as... 'cheating.
      > >>
      > >> Perhaps that is the determinating factor.
      > >> And the most difficult to determine.
      > >> Is the archer witha fiberglass bow new and trying?
      > >> or when you look at him, you find everythign else is period including
      > >> tent and shoes... but he insists on using a fiberglass bow even though
      > >> he can easily buy or make a wooden bow?
      > >>
      > >> --
      > >> Rick Johnson
      > >> http://Rick-Johnson.webs.com
      > >> "Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined
      > >> security will soon find that they have neither."
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >

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