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Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Archery guild: What?

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  • Bai-Or
    Here s my worry: Someone may join the guild having changed nothing about their equipment, then move up the ranks by doing minor teachings or making a self bow
    Message 1 of 34 , May 30, 2013
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      Here's my worry:

      Someone may join the guild having changed nothing about their equipment, then move up the ranks by doing minor teachings or making a self bow every now and again.  But, that individual still competes exclusively with their modern recurve or maybe only on rare occasion takes out their period bow to loose a few arrows and post a score.  So, now they are a medium to high ranking guild member displaying the badge but using modern equipment at events.  A huge component of this is leading by example.

      Entry level period equipment is not very expensive, no more so then getting your first armored combat or fencing kit (probably even cheaper), so I can find no issue with making it a guild requirement.  Especially since someone can still play and have fun with SCA archery outside of the guild with whatever non-period bow they want.  However, if there is a way to implement a system where we can let people in but hold them at apprentice until they start shooting period I am all for it.

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      Eógan
      Archery Captain, Shire of Mynydd Seren
      http://rangersofmynyddseren.wix.com/archery

      On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:
       

      I think that the goal of the guild would be to allow those that want to join, to join, but to do anything more than be an apprentice in any area of the guild they would have to work and show their efforts towards creating, building, shooting, and improving Period Archery.

      Vincenti


      On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:06 PM, imgoingtophobos <imgoingtophobos@...> wrote:
       

      I'm a bit confused by the mission statement and what it would indicate.  Does this mean that the guild would be for both period and non-period?  This what the guild was initially intended for.  Or does it mean that there would be different levels of period-ness in the guild?  Or is it simply a different phrasing with the same overall meaning?

      Taran


      On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Paul Thorne <paul.v.thorne@...> wrote:


      I really like this version.


      DeCalmont


      On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM, John R. Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
       

      This is an improvement.

      Does anyone else have any comments?

      Jon

      Pat <pat_auten@...> wrote:

       

      I have made some mods to a previously posted initial draft of a mission statement. My focus removed period/historically accurate as the primary focus. Those would fit better in the guild rules, which should include levels for non-period/historically accurate participants. Besides the apparent differences from kingdom to kingdom regarding what is and isn't allowed, there also needs to be accommodation for special needs archers.

      The goal of ___________________ (insert chosen name) is to strive towards excellence in archery through education and experience, with an emphasis on the use of SCA-era period style equipment as guided by current SCA rules and regulations. To accomplish this goal the members of_____________________ will strive to meet and exceed guild defined standards of authenticity. The members of __________________ will promote and advocate archery within the SCA through education and encourage the use of SCA-era period style equipment, by both example and by the learning and teaching of traditional archery techniques and practices.

      Just my 1 1/2 cents worth.

      Moire

      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
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      >
      > I discussed this early last year with the Keeper of the IKAC and suggested
      > changing it to allow period style triggers. He seemed to agree, however the
      > change was not made to this years rules. I also suggested allowing documented
      > period rear sights as well. I will bring this up with him again.
      >
      > The Chinese crossbow like the one you have, has a hand grip at the rear end, not
      > a rife stock with a butt that sits against the shoulder. That style should not
      > be a problem by the rules.
      >
      > Jon
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: imgoingtophobos <imgoingtophobos@...>
      > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 4:24:21 AM
      > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Archery guild: What?
      >
      >
      > What modifications would you make to the period crossbow rules so that it can
      > incorporate these but not include any non-period crossbows?
      >
      >
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      >
      > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:50 AM, George Bottorf <PLUNKETTARCHER@...>
      > wrote:
      >
      >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >Greetings, All. As a longtime archer and crossbowman, semi-retired! I will say
      > >that I and my fellow householder, Koranada Tomadashi, have always used the
      > >aforementioned rules to work with when building. Being as my interests are of
      > >Asiatic design, I can/will find fault with only the Period Crossbow section
      > >dealing with the description of xbow. I have used a variation fron Korea,
      > >C.1492, it uses what could be termed a "rifle" stock. I also use what is called
      > >the Han crossbow lock, in several variations. The design also uses what is
      > >called a "trigger"!!! OH MY!!! Unfortunately, without one, ALL crossbows become
      > >a fancy club! Remember, a "trigger" is only a release device. PERIOD. Call it
      > >what you will, it's still a trigger! Last, but not least, the Chinese first
      > >developed the use of gradated rear sights, marked on the rear of the cocking
      > >arms of the lock. Also the use of front sights. But, I don't use them. So
      > >please don't tell me that these items are not period, or not allowed. They are
      > >Very Period!! From at least 350BC, up to at least 1592 in the Japanese invasion
      > >of Korea!! Who can say how far up the time stream this stuff was used. Plus
      > >other weapons. I have used them in the past, and will continue to use them in
      > >the near future!
      > >Thank you all for your patience. YIS, Ld. Abner de Plunkett. West Kingdom Archer
      > > Crossbowman.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >









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      Eógan
      Archery Captain, Shire of Mynydd Seren
      http://rangersofmynyddseren.wix.com/archery
    • John R. Edgerton
      Thank you. You are on the list. Jon
      Message 34 of 34 , Jun 1, 2013
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        Thank you. You are on the list.

        Jon

        "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon@...> wrote:

         

        greetings
         
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        Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
        Arthur
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