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  • John Edgerton
    Below is a new competition I am working on to add to the list for the Summer SSAC. I would appreciate any comments, questions, improvements, etc that could
    Message 1 of 12 , Mar 28, 2013
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      Below is a new competition I am working on to add to the list for the Summer SSAC. I would appreciate any comments, questions, improvements, etc that could improve it. 

      Thank you

      Jon
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      The Nottingham Competition

       

      The Nottingham competition is based upon an archery contest from the legends of Robin Hood as retold by Howard Pyle. It is not a period source. However, still a fun shoot. The ends were won based upon the common period practice of arrows closest to the target center.

       

      The target is an 8” white roundel with a 2” black dot or “peg” in the center. There is a thin metal pin (finish nail or coat hanger, etc.) in the center of this for attaching a string for measuring the closest arrows for scoring purposes. The roundel is placed in the center of a 24” circle. Only one target is used.

       

      The distance starts at 25 yards and increases by 5 yards at each of the four ends. 25, 30, 35, and 40 yards. This fits easily on a Royal Round or IKAC range set up.

       

      The number of arrows per end is two. You should choose the three best matched of your arrows, with the third as a spare incase of lose or breakage. All three arrows must have the name of the archer written upon them near the fletchings or must be easily identifiable in some way. 

       

      Scoring is one point each for arrows within the 24” circle or touching the line. Three points for within the roundel or touching the roundel. And five points for within or touching the “peg”. There is a five-point bonus for the one arrow closest to the center in each end. There is a possible maximum score of fifteen points per end and a competition maximum total of sixty points.

       

      Only the half of the archers with an arrow closest to the center continue for official scoring to the next end. This is rounded up to the next highest number if the half is a fraction. E.g. 10.5 becomes 11, 9.5 becomes 10, 2.5 becomes 3, etc. Only one of their two arrows counts as the closest for advancing to the next end.

       

      The competition cannot be shot with less than five archers. If there are eight or fewer archers shooting, then the one archer with the arrow furthest from the center is removed from competition at each end. There must be at least two archers for the final end.

       

      The archers that are eliminated in each end may continue to shoot for unofficial score until the fourth and final end. They may not shoot in the final end.

       

      Closest arrows are determined by first removing those that are obviously further from the center than the other half of the arrows. The remaining arrows may be determined by eye or by placing the string on the metal pin in the center and using it to the measure the comparative distances (A ruler may also be used). In case of ties for the several furthest arrows, if more than one arrow is equally far from the target, they all continue to the next end. If one or more arrows from different archers are equally close to the center, they all receive the five point bonus. The marshal in charge shall determine the closest arrows when there is a question of which is closest. An archer may only receive one bonus per end.

       

      In final end the single archer with the closest arrow to the center is the winner and gets the five point bonus. In case of ties, there is a tie-breaker of one arrow and the closest arrow is the winner and gets the five point bonus. If required the tie breaker may be repeated as needed.

       

       

       

       

    • John Edgerton
      Please change the final paragraph to: In the final end the single archer with the closest arrow to the center is the winner and gets the five-point bonus.
      Message 2 of 12 , Mar 28, 2013
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        Please change the final paragraph to:

        "In the final end the single archer with the closest arrow to the center is the winner and gets the five-point bonus. Even if one archer has two arrows in the peg for 10 points, an archer with only one scoring arrow, which is closer to the center than those two arrows, wins the bonus point and the competition. In the final end, it is not the highest score that wins, it is the most central arrow. In case of ties, there is a tiebreaker of one arrow and the closest arrow is the winner and gets the five point bonus. If required the tiebreaker may be repeated as needed."


        From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: SCA-West-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thu, March 28, 2013 2:28:26 PM
        Subject: [SCA-Archery] New SSAC competition?

         

        Below is a new competition I am working on to add to the list for the Summer SSAC. I would appreciate any comments, questions, improvements, etc that could improve it. 

        Thank you

        Jon
        *****************

        The Nottingham Competition

         

        The Nottingham competition is based upon an archery contest from the legends of Robin Hood as retold by Howard Pyle. It is not a period source. However, still a fun shoot. The ends were won based upon the common period practice of arrows closest to the target center.

         

        The target is an 8” white roundel with a 2” black dot or “peg” in the center. There is a thin metal pin (finish nail or coat hanger, etc.) in the center of this for attaching a string for measuring the closest arrows for scoring purposes. The roundel is placed in the center of a 24” circle. Only one target is used.

         

        The distance starts at 25 yards and increases by 5 yards at each of the four ends. 25, 30, 35, and 40 yards. This fits easily on a Royal Round or IKAC range set up.

         

        The number of arrows per end is two. You should choose the three best matched of your arrows, with the third as a spare incase of lose or breakage. All three arrows must have the name of the archer written upon them near the fletchings or must be easily identifiable in some way. 

         

        Scoring is one point each for arrows within the 24” circle or touching the line. Three points for within the roundel or touching the roundel. And five points for within or touching the “peg”. There is a five-point bonus for the one arrow closest to the center in each end. There is a possible maximum score of fifteen points per end and a competition maximum total of sixty points.

         

        Only the half of the archers with an arrow closest to the center continue for official scoring to the next end. This is rounded up to the next highest number if the half is a fraction. E.g. 10.5 becomes 11, 9.5 becomes 10, 2.5 becomes 3, etc. Only one of their two arrows counts as the closest for advancing to the next end.

         

        The competition cannot be shot with less than five archers. If there are eight or fewer archers shooting, then the one archer with the arrow furthest from the center is removed from competition at each end. There must be at least two archers for the final end.

         

        The archers that are eliminated in each end may continue to shoot for unofficial score until the fourth and final end. They may not shoot in the final end.

         

        Closest arrows are determined by first removing those that are obviously further from the center than the other half of the arrows. The remaining arrows may be determined by eye or by placing the string on the metal pin in the center and using it to the measure the comparative distances (A ruler may also be used). In case of ties for the several furthest arrows, if more than one arrow is equally far from the target, they all continue to the next end. If one or more arrows from different archers are equally close to the center, they all receive the five point bonus. The marshal in charge shall determine the closest arrows when there is a question of which is closest. An archer may only receive one bonus per end.

         

        In final end the single archer with the closest arrow to the center is the winner and gets the five point bonus. In case of ties, there is a tie-breaker of one arrow and the closest arrow is the winner and gets the five point bonus. If required the tie breaker may be repeated as needed.

         

         

         

         

      • John Edgerton
        Atached is a photo of a foam core roundel with the measuring string attached. The remainder of the target is just the 24 inch circle that it is centered
        Message 3 of 12 , Mar 29, 2013
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        Atached is a photo of a foam core roundel with the measuring string attached. The remainder of the target is just the 24 inch circle that it is centered within. I will do up a photo of the full target later. 
        Jon
      • ladyjohannatrewpeny
        Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot! It looks like fun and excellent period styling! You asked for ideas to improve it, so here s mine. Create a Second
        Message 4 of 12 , Mar 30, 2013
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          Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
          It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

          You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

          Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

          Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

          This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

          Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

          Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

          Hoping to shoot it soon!
          Sweeps a curtsy,
          Lady Johanna
        • Taslen
          Lady Johanna, I like the idea but I am not following you. So if they would have been eliminated they move to the second shoot? Can you explain further? Nice
          Message 5 of 12 , Mar 30, 2013
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            Lady Johanna,

            I like the idea but I am not following you. So if they would have been eliminated they move to the second shoot? Can you explain further? Nice curtsey BTW!

            Gaelen



            From: ladyjohannatrewpeny <johannatrueshot@...>
            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:36 PM
            Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

             
            Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
            It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

            You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

            Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

            Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

            This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

            Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

            Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

            Hoping to shoot it soon!
            Sweeps a curtsy,
            Lady Johanna



          • Ulfrik Valdrikson
            I believe she's saying to completely remove the elimination part. so less experienced archers can still participate, and enjoy the time launching arrows
            Message 6 of 12 , Mar 30, 2013
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              I believe she's saying to completely remove the elimination part. so less experienced archers can still participate, and enjoy the time launching arrows as those competing for the top scores in the shoot. just paraphrasing...


              From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>;
              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>;
              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?
              Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 2:02:03 AM

               

              Lady Johanna,

              I like the idea but I am not following you. So if they would have been eliminated they move to the second shoot? Can you explain further? Nice curtsey BTW!

              Gaelen



              From: ladyjohannatrewpeny <johannatrueshot@...>
              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:36 PM
              Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

               
              Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
              It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

              You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

              Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

              Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

              This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

              Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

              Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

              Hoping to shoot it soon!
              Sweeps a curtsy,
              Lady Johanna



            • ladyjohannatrewpeny
              Thanks for the question. Here is the version I m suggesting. The Sherwood Shoot The Sherwood Shoot is similar to Sir Jon’s Nottingham Competition. Back
              Message 7 of 12 , Mar 30, 2013
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                Thanks for the question.  Here is the 'version' I'm suggesting.

                The Sherwood Shoot

                The Sherwood Shoot is similar to Sir Jon’s Nottingham Competition.  Back at Robin Hood's camp archers improve their camaraderie and skill by shooting at the same distances.  Archers may join the shoot at any distance.

                The target is an 8” white roundel with a 2” black dot or “peg” in the center. There is a thin metal pin (finish nail or coat hanger, etc.) in the center of this for attaching a string for measuring the closest arrows for scoring purposes. The roundel is placed in the center of a 24” circle. Only one target is used.

                 The distance starts at 25 yards and increases by 5 yards at each of the four ends. 25, 30, 35, and 40 yards. This fits easily on a Royal Round or IKAC range set up.  This is a score based shoot, all archers shoot at each range.  In Sherwood the order of ends is immaterial but all distances must be scored to count a round.   If an end is not shot the score for that end is 0.

                 The number of arrows per end is two. You should choose the three best matched of your arrows, with the third as a spare in case of loss or breakage. All three arrows must have the name of the archer written upon them near the fletchings or must be easily identifiable in some way. 

                 Scoring is one point each for arrows within the 24” circle or touching the line. Three points for within the roundel or touching the roundel. And five points for within or touching the “peg”. There is a five-point bonus for the one arrow closest to the center in each end. There is a possible maximum score of fifteen points per end and a competition maximum total of sixty points.

                 Closest arrow bonus is determined by first removing those that are obviously furthest from the center.  The remaining arrows may be determined by eye or by placing the string on the metal pin in the center and using it to the measure the comparative distances (A ruler may also be used).

                An individual archer may only receive one bonus per end.  If one or more arrows from different archers are equally close to the center, they all receive the five point bonus. The marshal in charge shall determine the closest arrow when there is a question of which is closest.


                Happily,

                Lady Johanna Trewpeny

              • John Edgerton
                Creating a second separate shoot could cause some problems with scoring for the overall SSAC competition. So ... instead of eliminating archers, how about
                Message 8 of 12 , Mar 30, 2013
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                  Creating a second separate shoot could cause some problems with scoring for the overall SSAC  competition.

                  So ... instead of eliminating archers, how about eliminating their chance at a bonus in that end. See below.

                  I think that a "Sherwood" shoot back at camp would properly include a clout to the losers ear in period or least by the Robin Hood legends or at least a forfeit. :-)
                  ************

                  "Scoring is one point each for arrows within the 24” circle or touching the line. Three points for within the roundel or touching the roundel. And five points for within or touching the “peg”.

                   

                  There is a three point bonus for the half of the archers whose arrows are closest to the center of the target. For example, if there were 21 archers. The 11 archers (10.5 rounded up to 11) with the arrows closest to the center would receive the bonus. The rounding up is to the next highest number if half of the archers is a fraction. E.g. 10.5 becomes 11, 9.5 becomes 10, 2.5 becomes 3, etc.

                   

                  Only the closest of their two arrows counts for determining a bonus. Arrows outside of the 24-inch circle do not qualify for bonus points.

                   

                  There is a five-point bonus for the one arrow closest to the center in each end.

                   

                  There is a possible maximum score of eighteen points per end and a competition maximum total of seventy two points."


                  Jon

                   



                  From: ladyjohannatrewpeny <johannatrueshot@...>
                  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 6:37:03 PM
                  Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                   

                  Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
                  It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

                  You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

                  Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

                  Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

                  This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

                  Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

                  Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

                  Hoping to shoot it soon!
                  Sweeps a curtsy,
                  Lady Johanna

                • Jonathas
                  Johanna, Great idea, I was trying to figure out how to keep the period nature but take out the elimination so that every one can enjoy. Building on your idea,
                  Message 9 of 12 , Mar 31, 2013
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                    Johanna,

                    Great idea, I was trying to figure out how to keep the period nature but take out the elimination so that every one can enjoy.  Building on your idea, run the two shoots simultaneously, the Nottingham and the Sherwood, with the same targets and scoring except the Sherwood does not have the bonuses and elimination.  This way they can be shot on the same range at the same time. Basically everyone shoots the Sherwood, the marshal keeps track of who has been eliminated and who has gotten bonus points.  The only the winner submits to the Nottingham, since only the winners name would have been announce in the town square. The winner can also submit their Sherwood score they just shot, minus any bonuses they got.

                    Jonathas 

                    On Mar 30, 2013 9:37 PM, "ladyjohannatrewpeny" <johannatrueshot@...> wrote:
                     

                    Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
                    It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

                    You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

                    Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

                    Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

                    This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

                    Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

                    Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

                    Hoping to shoot it soon!
                    Sweeps a curtsy,
                    Lady Johanna

                  • Taslen
                    Ok but we are talking future events right? I have a tournament on the 20th and need more on the current shoot so I can run it. Gaelen
                    Message 10 of 12 , Mar 31, 2013
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                      Ok but we are talking future events right? I have a tournament on the 20th and need more on the current shoot so I can run it.

                      Gaelen



                      From: Jonathas <Jonathas@...>
                      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:36 AM
                      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                       
                      Johanna,
                      Great idea, I was trying to figure out how to keep the period nature but take out the elimination so that every one can enjoy.  Building on your idea, run the two shoots simultaneously, the Nottingham and the Sherwood, with the same targets and scoring except the Sherwood does not have the bonuses and elimination.  This way they can be shot on the same range at the same time. Basically everyone shoots the Sherwood, the marshal keeps track of who has been eliminated and who has gotten bonus points.  The only the winner submits to the Nottingham, since only the winners name would have been announce in the town square. The winner can also submit their Sherwood score they just shot, minus any bonuses they got.
                      Jonathas 
                      On Mar 30, 2013 9:37 PM, "ladyjohannatrewpeny" <johannatrueshot@...> wrote:
                       
                      Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
                      It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

                      You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

                      Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

                      Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

                      This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

                      Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

                      Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

                      Hoping to shoot it soon!
                      Sweeps a curtsy,
                      Lady Johanna



                    • John Edgerton
                      The Nottingham shoot is not being considered for the Spring SSAC. It, in whatever form, will be on the list for the Sumer shoot. Jon
                      Message 11 of 12 , Mar 31, 2013
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                        The Nottingham shoot is not being considered for the Spring SSAC. It, in whatever form, will be on the list for the Sumer shoot. 

                        Jon


                        From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
                        To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 9:07:01 AM
                        Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                         

                        Ok but we are talking future events right? I have a tournament on the 20th and need more on the current shoot so I can run it.

                        Gaelen



                        From: Jonathas <Jonathas@...>
                        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:36 AM
                        Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                         
                        Johanna,
                        Great idea, I was trying to figure out how to keep the period nature but take out the elimination so that every one can enjoy.  Building on your idea, run the two shoots simultaneously, the Nottingham and the Sherwood, with the same targets and scoring except the Sherwood does not have the bonuses and elimination.  This way they can be shot on the same range at the same time. Basically everyone shoots the Sherwood, the marshal keeps track of who has been eliminated and who has gotten bonus points.  The only the winner submits to the Nottingham, since only the winners name would have been announce in the town square. The winner can also submit their Sherwood score they just shot, minus any bonuses they got.
                        Jonathas 
                        On Mar 30, 2013 9:37 PM, "ladyjohannatrewpeny" <johannatrueshot@...> wrote:
                         
                        Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
                        It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

                        You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

                        Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

                        Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

                        This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

                        Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

                        Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

                        Hoping to shoot it soon!
                        Sweeps a curtsy,
                        Lady Johanna



                      • Taslen
                        Right that was my thought too however if I have time I may run it just as a fun shoot ________________________________ From: John Edgerton
                        Message 12 of 12 , Mar 31, 2013
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                          Right that was my thought too however if I have time I may run it just as a "fun shoot"


                          From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:47 PM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                           
                          The Nottingham shoot is not being considered for the Spring SSAC. It, in whatever form, will be on the list for the Sumer shoot. 

                          Jon


                          From: Taslen <taslen2000@...>
                          To: "SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com" <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sun, March 31, 2013 9:07:01 AM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                           
                          Ok but we are talking future events right? I have a tournament on the 20th and need more on the current shoot so I can run it.

                          Gaelen



                          From: Jonathas <Jonathas@...>
                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:36 AM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: New SSAC competition?

                           
                          Johanna,
                          Great idea, I was trying to figure out how to keep the period nature but take out the elimination so that every one can enjoy.  Building on your idea, run the two shoots simultaneously, the Nottingham and the Sherwood, with the same targets and scoring except the Sherwood does not have the bonuses and elimination.  This way they can be shot on the same range at the same time. Basically everyone shoots the Sherwood, the marshal keeps track of who has been eliminated and who has gotten bonus points.  The only the winner submits to the Nottingham, since only the winners name would have been announce in the town square. The winner can also submit their Sherwood score they just shot, minus any bonuses they got.
                          Jonathas 
                          On Mar 30, 2013 9:37 PM, "ladyjohannatrewpeny" <johannatrueshot@...> wrote:
                           
                          Thank you for the fun Nottingham shoot!
                          It looks like fun and excellent period styling!

                          You asked for ideas to improve it, so here's mine.

                          Create a Second shoot by removing the elimination factor but keeping the SAME scoring with the SAME target during the SAME season. Make a good thing twice as good!

                          Groups with fewer than 8 could still participate and would be good practice for all and let them experience all the distances! It would build camaraderie, rather than emphasize the elimination of newer/less skilled archers. It would remove the 'sitting around waiting' factor. While challenging, elimination shoots are often more fun for those that are good enough to compete.

                          This would be more like what might have happened back at camp rather than at the tournament in town so, call it the SHERWOOD!

                          Groups could choose to shoot a Sherwood or Nottingham due to the number and skill of those that showed up and still only need the one target and possibly both in one day!

                          Both could be posted on the SSAC page easily. I'll make you scoresheets!

                          Hoping to shoot it soon!
                          Sweeps a curtsy,
                          Lady Johanna





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