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Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target - Keeping Bales Upright & Sharing the Range With Horses

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  • Dame Macha of Mountain Edge (known as the
    If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about
    Message 1 of 19 , Mar 2 7:59 AM
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      If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about riders or horses encountering those pointy objects in case of a fall), we have found that if there are extra bales one can reinforce the back of the primary stack with those.

      An alternative that could also reassure a site owner if they are concerned about equestrian liability is to cap the T-posts with the round plastic caps available at feed/farm supply stores to cap the post and also hold an electric wire for a fence. These are standard for unaccompanied horses exposed to T-posts.

      I am trying to encourage sharing the range - that is done in An Tir at an event called Summer Hunt (hunt theme) and the 3D targets and other novelty shoot items can be enjoyed by both foot and mounted archers. Now to figure out how to have the moving targets also available to mounted archers.......... that'd be very realistic for a hunt situation but we have safety rules to consider.

      Totally agree with not having the bulls eye at a junction between bales! The arrows can go right through and then it is hard to tell who got that point on the target vs who overshot or otherwise landed beyond the target but accidentally (and, of course, not under anyone's control)  next to the top-scoring arrow. Ouch!

       Macha (Jr TAM and KEO, An Tir)


      On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Frank Schalles wrote:

       

      Ave!

      We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay
      bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over.

      Francois,
      Bonwicke, Ansteorra

      On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:


      "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
      (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
      (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

      On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


      From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
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      Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

      Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
      (& shoot well this year )

      For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
      on the butt & over shoot.

      As hay bales are often used I (& most)
      people try to set the bulls eye solidly
      in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

      with 3 or 4 bales stacked
      (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
      (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
      its usually about knee high
      for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

      I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
      to lessen over shoot.

      ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
      mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
      to pull arrows.

      I often tell people that the center of the target is always
      in the same relationship no matter the height
      its in the center.

      Good fortune shoot fun & safe

      Is
      Johann
      An Tir 









      On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

       
      This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



      William Arwemakere



      On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

       
      Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


      SNIP 


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    • Grazia Morgano
      The range where my barony practices has their bales secured with a cable attached to the ground on one side, up, along the top, down the side, and back into
      Message 2 of 19 , Mar 2 9:04 AM
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        The range where my barony practices has their bales secured with a cable attached to the ground on one side, up, along the top, down the side, and back into the ground.

        Grazia
      • Kelly Burgess
        try this with hay bales. for a sturdy 4 bale stack, Lay out about 20 feet of rope running east / west. The first 2 bales are beside each other with the length
        Message 3 of 19 , Mar 2 5:37 PM
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          try this with hay bales.

          for a sturdy 4 bale stack,
          Lay out about 20 feet of rope running east / west.
          The first 2 bales are beside each other with the length running north / south, the north end should overlap the rope by about 1 foot.
          Bale 3 is stacked on the first 2 running east / west.
          Bale 4 is stacked on bale 3 also running east / west.
          Tie down the bales with a cinch knot, re-tighten as rope stretches.

          you can stack 3 up to bales on the base by moving the east / west bales closer to the middle of the north / south bales. Also stack the raw ends together whenever possible, they will lock together easily and help prevent blow throughs.

          bran 



          From: Dame Macha of Mountain Edge (known as the Determined) <macha@...>
          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:59 AM
          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target - Keeping Bales Upright & Sharing the Range With Horses

           
          If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about riders or horses encountering those pointy objects in case of a fall), we have found that if there are extra bales one can reinforce the back of the primary stack with those.

          An alternative that could also reassure a site owner if they are concerned about equestrian liability is to cap the T-posts with the round plastic caps available at feed/farm supply stores to cap the post and also hold an electric wire for a fence. These are standard for unaccompanied horses exposed to T-posts.

          I am trying to encourage sharing the range - that is done in An Tir at an event called Summer Hunt (hunt theme) and the 3D targets and other novelty shoot items can be enjoyed by both foot and mounted archers. Now to figure out how to have the moving targets also available to mounted archers.......... that'd be very realistic for a hunt situation but we have safety rules to consider.

          Totally agree with not having the bulls eye at a junction between bales! The arrows can go right through and then it is hard to tell who got that point on the target vs who overshot or otherwise landed beyond the target but accidentally (and, of course, not under anyone's control)  next to the top-scoring arrow. Ouch!

           Macha (Jr TAM and KEO, An Tir)


          On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Frank Schalles wrote:

           
          Ave!

          We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay
          bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over.

          Francois,
          Bonwicke, Ansteorra

          On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:


          "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
          (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
          (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

          On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


          From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

          Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
          (& shoot well this year )

          For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
          on the butt & over shoot.

          As hay bales are often used I (& most)
          people try to set the bulls eye solidly
          in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

          with 3 or 4 bales stacked
          (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
          (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
          its usually about knee high
          for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

          I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
          to lessen over shoot.

          ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
          mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
          to pull arrows.

          I often tell people that the center of the target is always
          in the same relationship no matter the height
          its in the center.

          Good fortune shoot fun & safe

          Is
          Johann
          An Tir 









          On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

           
          This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



          William Arwemakere



          On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

           
          Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


          SNIP 


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        • talonoak
          Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I
          Message 4 of 19 , Mar 3 9:53 AM
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            Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I had neighbors on 3 sides, I would not, legally, be able to set one up. You might want to check with your local police before setting up a target.

             

            My 2 cents worh,

             

            Eoin

            Iron Bog


            From: "aelric_southlake" <magnetcoil@...>
            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:58:39 AM
            Subject: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

             

            Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

            We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

            Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

            Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

            At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

            Thanks for reading and any responses,
            Aelric, West K.

          • Rusty McMillan
            Even if your local jurisdiction does not consider a hand bow to be a fire arm, almost all consider a crossbow to be such, as they are capable of being carried
            Message 5 of 19 , Mar 4 10:43 AM
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              Even if your local jurisdiction does not consider a hand bow to be a fire arm, almost all consider a crossbow to be such, as they are capable of being carried cocked and loaded. Also, the power of a crossbow makes blowing through a fence more likely in the event of missing the target. One more thing to consider for backyard ranges...

              Randal of Camusfearna

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              > Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I had neighbors on 3 sides, I would not, legally, be able to set one up. You might want to check with your local police before setting up a target.
              >
              > My 2 cents worh,
              >
              > Eoin
              > Iron Bog
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            • Caterina Fortuna
              Please, don t use peanut bags. Or tell anyone who touches your equipment that if they are allergic that can t be near you. My food allergies last week at
              Message 6 of 19 , Mar 5 8:54 AM
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                Please, don't use peanut bags. Or tell anyone who touches your equipment that if they are allergic that can't be near you. My food allergies last week at Estrella went from mild to so severe i nearly went to the er.

                Personally, I use a target that's 3" or less for practice. When you start grouping regularly change it up. Shoot at 10 yds for practicing your form. Shoot at 15 & 18 yds as these are common in novelty shoots. And 20 yds is common. My first year of serious shooting, i shot at 10 for weeks, then 10 & 15, then 10, 15, & 18. Finally when i made it back to 20, i found that i could hit it regularly. I also had a better understanding of 'unknown distances' at sca tourneys as well as how to adjust for them.

                Height: waist to chest high. For standard royal rounds in an tir, caid, and atenveldt in my experience.

                Alternatives: sit in a chair, kneel, squat, aim at a low 'rabbit' target, blow up a water balloon with air, dangle a tennis ball from rubber bands.

                Please check with local police or maybe city hall on local laws regarding archery. Some counties are very strict. Some don't care.

                If you have neighbors, please don't shot popinjays or other targets high up. I'd lower the target to 'below waist to knee level' depending on how you shoot.
                Cat

                >
                > Also, to make good, cheap targets get burlap peanut bags from your local steak house (they just throw them away) and stuff them with plastic bags (free). They make good targets for practice. You can put whatever you want on the front to act as an aiming point.
                >

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