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  • Bill Tait
    This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and
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      This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.

      William Arwemakere

      On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:
       

      Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

      We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

      Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

      Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

      At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

      Thanks for reading and any responses,
      Aelric, West K.


    • JonThomme De Claydon
      If that from the ground to the center of the bulls eye? JT ... -- In service to the dream Baron Jon Thomme Gold is for the mistress Silver for the maid Copper
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        If that from the ground to the center of the bulls eye?
        JT

        On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:
         

        This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.


        William Arwemakere


        On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:
         

        Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

        We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

        Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

        Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

        At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

        Thanks for reading and any responses,
        Aelric, West K.





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      • Grazia Morgano
        It would seem to make sense to me to practice at a variety of heights. Targets can be at many different heights at an event (rabbit targets stood in the grass
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          It would seem to make sense to me to practice at a variety of heights. Targets
          can be at many different heights at an event (rabbit targets stood in the grass
          versus bird targets hung in the trees), especially if the shoot involves
          targets that move up and down as others are hit.

          Grazia
        • aelric_southlake
          Thanks for the replies! I will set it accordingly, with the knowledge that we don t have a specific height. A guideline, even if not from the SCA, helps. And
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            Thanks for the replies! I will set it accordingly, with the knowledge that we don't have a specific height. A guideline, even if not from the SCA, helps.

            And Grazia, indeed, I fully agree. I try to shoot at various heights and distances whenever possible. But for the purposes of getting ready for any SCA standard target type event, I wanted to be "aiming" in the right place :)

            ~ A
          • Bill Tait
            Measured to the center of the target. In our shorter (50 and 30m) we shoot at an 80cm face, with the option of a single face (10 ring) or individual faces (6
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              Measured to the center of the target. In our shorter (50 and 30m) we shoot at an 80cm face, with the option of a single face (10 ring) or individual faces (6 rings), the critical dimension is the center.

              William

              On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM, JonThomme De Claydon <JonThomme@...> wrote:
               

              If that from the ground to the center of the bulls eye?

              JT


              On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:
               

              This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.


              William Arwemakere


              On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:
               

              Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

              We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

              Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

              Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

              At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

              Thanks for reading and any responses,
              Aelric, West K.





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              In service to the dream

              Baron Jon Thomme

              Gold is for the mistress
              Silver for the maid
              Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade.
              "Good" said the Baron sitting in his hall,
              But iron, cold iron is master of them all.
              R. Kipling


            • JDS
              Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer. (& shoot well this year ) For SCA & Home I usually base the target height on the butt & over shoot. As hay
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                Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                (& shoot well this year )

                For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                on the butt & over shoot.

                As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                its usually about knee high
                for me bull at ~20 Inches.

                I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                to lessen over shoot.

                ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                to pull arrows.

                I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                in the same relationship no matter the height
                its in the center.

                Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                Is
                Johann
                An Tir









                On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:


                This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                William Arwemakere



                On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:


                Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


                SNIP
              • Bill Tait
                Thanks Johann, Had a pretty good year last year. Second place, Canada Cup, Bronze at National Field Championship. If the range is for royal rounds, it s nice
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                  Thanks Johann,

                  Had a pretty good year last year. Second place, Canada Cup, Bronze at National Field Championship.


                  If the range is for royal rounds, it's nice to have all the targets the same height, regardless of what that height is. 

                  W

                  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, JDS <ren.touch@...> wrote:
                  Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                  (& shoot well this year )

                  For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                   on the butt & over shoot.

                  As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                  people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                  in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                  with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                  (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                  (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                  its usually about knee high
                   for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

                  I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                  to lessen over shoot.

                  ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                  mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                  to pull arrows.

                  I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                  in the same relationship no matter the height
                  its in the center.

                  Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                  Is
                  Johann
                  An Tir









                  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:


                  This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                  William Arwemakere



                  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:


                  Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


                  SNIP


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                • The Greys
                  Aelric, Height of target all depends upon the purpose and type of practice. I know lots of folks that shoot/practice Royal Round after Royal Round. It
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                    Aelric,
                    Height of target all depends upon the purpose and type of practice. I know lots of folks that shoot/practice Royal Round after Royal Round. It doesn't make them a better archer though. What makes us better is variety. Thus target height seems irrelevant. For example, when the range at Pennsic was moved there is a significant uphill side to it. That threw off a bunch of archers because they had never shot uphill/downhill before.

                    I often use one gallon milk jugs as targets. I toss them out at about 15- 20 yards then shoot them. Each time they get hit they move which makes for a new distance to practice at. I don't recommend more than about 2 - 3 shafts per jug though or you will start splitting shafts. Lots of targets at lots of distances, most unknown to start, will make your practice much more beneficial than shooting known distances at known heights over and over.

                    Also, to make good, cheap targets get burlap peanut bags from your local steak house (they just throw them away) and stuff them with plastic bags (free). They make good targets for practice. You can put whatever you want on the front to act as an aiming point.

                    My two cents worth,
                    kog

                    --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "aelric_southlake" <magnetcoil@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:
                    >
                    > We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.
                    >
                    > Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?
                    >
                    > Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?
                    >
                    > At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.
                    >
                    > Thanks for reading and any responses,
                    > Aelric, West K.
                    >
                  • Oscar Van Loveren 000724 recon
                    FWIW The EK Royal Round regs specify the center of the target being 2-4 feet above the ground. A lot of leeway. Have fun. ... Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc.
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                      FWIW The EK Royal Round regs specify the center of the
                      target being 2-4 feet above the ground. A lot of leeway.
                      Have fun.
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                    • Ld.blackmoon
                      greetings it really depends on your chosen format and safety . a lot of places use the children s target stands that barely raise the targets off of
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                        greetings
                         
                        it really depends on your chosen " format " and " safety " .
                        a lot of places use the children's target stands that barely raise the targets off of the ground . these are especially good in places where you don't have a lot of room for missing arrows to land due to safety issues such as neighbors fence, house, garage, etc. .
                        some places use various heights to mimic the approximate height of the game animal they are practicing to shoot ( on the ground, 2 foot above the ground, 5 foot above the ground , etc.) but again safety behind the target is a prime concern.
                        and a lot of people in the sca place the target to correspond with " chest height " since in period we would be practicing for war.
                         
                         so it's really up to you and how much room you have as a safety zone behind the target .
                         
                        you can also modify that range with stop sheets, and catch nets : )
                         
                        hope that helps
                         
                        Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
                        Arthur
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                        Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:58 AM
                        Subject: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                         

                        Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

                        We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

                        Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

                        Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

                        At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

                        Thanks for reading and any responses,
                        Aelric, West K.

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                      • Chris Ivins
                        with 3 or 4 bales stacked (4 Bales is about as high as is steady) (No fun when a stand or bales fall over ) On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a
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                          "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                          (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                          (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

                          On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


                          From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                          Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                          (& shoot well this year )

                          For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                          on the butt & over shoot.

                          As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                          people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                          in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                          with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                          (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                          (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                          its usually about knee high
                          for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

                          I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                          to lessen over shoot.

                          ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                          mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                          to pull arrows.

                          I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                          in the same relationship no matter the height
                          its in the center.

                          Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                          Is
                          Johann
                          An Tir 









                          On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

                           
                          This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                          William Arwemakere



                          On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

                           
                          Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


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                        • Frank Schalles
                          Ave! We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over. Francois,
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                            Ave!

                            We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay
                            bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over.

                            Francois,
                            Bonwicke, Ansteorra

                            On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:


                            "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                            (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                            (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

                            On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


                            From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                            Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                            Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                            (& shoot well this year )

                            For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                            on the butt & over shoot.

                            As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                            people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                            in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                            with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                            (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                            (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                            its usually about knee high
                            for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

                            I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                            to lessen over shoot.

                            ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                            mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                            to pull arrows.

                            I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                            in the same relationship no matter the height
                            its in the center.

                            Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                            Is
                            Johann
                            An Tir 









                            On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

                             
                            This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                            William Arwemakere



                            On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

                             
                            Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


                            SNIP 


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                          • Dame Macha of Mountain Edge (known as the
                            If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about
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                              If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about riders or horses encountering those pointy objects in case of a fall), we have found that if there are extra bales one can reinforce the back of the primary stack with those.

                              An alternative that could also reassure a site owner if they are concerned about equestrian liability is to cap the T-posts with the round plastic caps available at feed/farm supply stores to cap the post and also hold an electric wire for a fence. These are standard for unaccompanied horses exposed to T-posts.

                              I am trying to encourage sharing the range - that is done in An Tir at an event called Summer Hunt (hunt theme) and the 3D targets and other novelty shoot items can be enjoyed by both foot and mounted archers. Now to figure out how to have the moving targets also available to mounted archers.......... that'd be very realistic for a hunt situation but we have safety rules to consider.

                              Totally agree with not having the bulls eye at a junction between bales! The arrows can go right through and then it is hard to tell who got that point on the target vs who overshot or otherwise landed beyond the target but accidentally (and, of course, not under anyone's control)  next to the top-scoring arrow. Ouch!

                               Macha (Jr TAM and KEO, An Tir)


                              On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Frank Schalles wrote:

                               

                              Ave!

                              We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay
                              bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over.

                              Francois,
                              Bonwicke, Ansteorra

                              On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:


                              "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                              (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                              (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

                              On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


                              From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                              Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                              (& shoot well this year )

                              For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                              on the butt & over shoot.

                              As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                              people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                              in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                              with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                              (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                              (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                              its usually about knee high
                              for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

                              I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                              to lessen over shoot.

                              ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                              mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                              to pull arrows.

                              I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                              in the same relationship no matter the height
                              its in the center.

                              Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                              Is
                              Johann
                              An Tir 









                              On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

                               
                              This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                              William Arwemakere



                              On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

                               
                              Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


                              SNIP 


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                            • Grazia Morgano
                              The range where my barony practices has their bales secured with a cable attached to the ground on one side, up, along the top, down the side, and back into
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                                The range where my barony practices has their bales secured with a cable attached to the ground on one side, up, along the top, down the side, and back into the ground.

                                Grazia
                              • Kelly Burgess
                                try this with hay bales. for a sturdy 4 bale stack, Lay out about 20 feet of rope running east / west. The first 2 bales are beside each other with the length
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                                  try this with hay bales.

                                  for a sturdy 4 bale stack,
                                  Lay out about 20 feet of rope running east / west.
                                  The first 2 bales are beside each other with the length running north / south, the north end should overlap the rope by about 1 foot.
                                  Bale 3 is stacked on the first 2 running east / west.
                                  Bale 4 is stacked on bale 3 also running east / west.
                                  Tie down the bales with a cinch knot, re-tighten as rope stretches.

                                  you can stack 3 up to bales on the base by moving the east / west bales closer to the middle of the north / south bales. Also stack the raw ends together whenever possible, they will lock together easily and help prevent blow throughs.

                                  bran 



                                  From: Dame Macha of Mountain Edge (known as the Determined) <macha@...>
                                  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:59 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target - Keeping Bales Upright & Sharing the Range With Horses

                                   
                                  If there is a reason not to have T-posts or rebar (as, for example, when the archery range will also be used for Mounted Archery and folks are concerned about riders or horses encountering those pointy objects in case of a fall), we have found that if there are extra bales one can reinforce the back of the primary stack with those.

                                  An alternative that could also reassure a site owner if they are concerned about equestrian liability is to cap the T-posts with the round plastic caps available at feed/farm supply stores to cap the post and also hold an electric wire for a fence. These are standard for unaccompanied horses exposed to T-posts.

                                  I am trying to encourage sharing the range - that is done in An Tir at an event called Summer Hunt (hunt theme) and the 3D targets and other novelty shoot items can be enjoyed by both foot and mounted archers. Now to figure out how to have the moving targets also available to mounted archers.......... that'd be very realistic for a hunt situation but we have safety rules to consider.

                                  Totally agree with not having the bulls eye at a junction between bales! The arrows can go right through and then it is hard to tell who got that point on the target vs who overshot or otherwise landed beyond the target but accidentally (and, of course, not under anyone's control)  next to the top-scoring arrow. Ouch!

                                   Macha (Jr TAM and KEO, An Tir)


                                  On Mar 2, 2013, at 6:08 AM, Frank Schalles wrote:

                                   
                                  Ave!

                                  We found that driving one or two pieces of #4, 4 foot rebar from the top of the hay
                                  bales into the ground kept the hay from falling over.

                                  Francois,
                                  Bonwicke, Ansteorra

                                  On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Chris Ivins <yuriilev@...> wrote:


                                  "with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                                  (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                                  (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )"

                                  On one of the outdoor ranges we built at a person's house a few year's ago, we used the farm-type "T" posts driven into the ground and tied to the bales(at the back side, of course) to help give some stability from falling over. - Iurii


                                  From: JDS <ren.touch@...>
                                  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                  Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:06 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                                  Thank YOU William I had hoped you would answer.
                                  (& shoot well this year )

                                  For SCA & Home I usually base the target height
                                  on the butt & over shoot.

                                  As hay bales are often used I (& most)
                                  people try to set the bulls eye solidly
                                  in the center of a /the bale & not over a crack.

                                  with 3 or 4 bales stacked
                                  (4 Bales is about as high as is steady)
                                  (No fun when a stand or bales fall over )
                                  its usually about knee high
                                  for me  bull at ~20 Inches.

                                  I tend to put It lower on the beginners range
                                  to lessen over shoot.

                                  ON stands or larger butts Up to about the 54 inches
                                  mentioned by William. (Chest High) Any higher its hard(er)
                                  to pull arrows.

                                  I often tell people that the center of the target is always
                                  in the same relationship no matter the height
                                  its in the center.

                                  Good fortune shoot fun & safe

                                  Is
                                  Johann
                                  An Tir 









                                  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  This topic came up a few years ago. The SCA does not mandate any target heights in the ruleset. If you want _a_ standard to follow, USAA, World Archery, and every other National body has the center of a single target face 135cm (53 1/8") from the ground.



                                  William Arwemakere



                                  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, aelric_southlake <magnetcoil@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:


                                  SNIP 


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                                • talonoak
                                  Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I
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                                    Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I had neighbors on 3 sides, I would not, legally, be able to set one up. You might want to check with your local police before setting up a target.

                                     

                                    My 2 cents worh,

                                     

                                    Eoin

                                    Iron Bog


                                    From: "aelric_southlake" <magnetcoil@...>
                                    To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:58:39 AM
                                    Subject: [SCA-Archery] Height of target

                                     

                                    Greetings, wondering about target heights, and any standards/rules thereof:

                                    We just moved to a place that has a bit over 20 yards clear space on the side of the house, and so, for the first time since I was a kid, I am actually able to practice in my own yard. (no more excuses now)Which means it is also the first time that I'm setting up a semi-permanent target that hasn't been already set up by someone at a range.

                                    Right now I'm using a U-Fill-It bag with a 60 cm target on it that is sitting on an old lawn chair. The next free weekend I have I'll be building a 2x4 stand to hang it from... Any particualr height I should be setting it at? That is, ground to center of bullseye measurement?

                                    Does that measurement change when you get out to 40, 60, 100 yrds?

                                    At both the outdoor and indoor ranges I'm familiar with, they seem to set the targets at fairly random heights, but they are clearly public, "practice" spaces - and beyond the few times I've accidently been there on a "league night," I've never seen how they set up for any formal tournament scenario.

                                    Thanks for reading and any responses,
                                    Aelric, West K.

                                  • Rusty McMillan
                                    Even if your local jurisdiction does not consider a hand bow to be a fire arm, almost all consider a crossbow to be such, as they are capable of being carried
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                                      Even if your local jurisdiction does not consider a hand bow to be a fire arm, almost all consider a crossbow to be such, as they are capable of being carried cocked and loaded. Also, the power of a crossbow makes blowing through a fence more likely in the event of missing the target. One more thing to consider for backyard ranges...

                                      Randal of Camusfearna

                                      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, stalek@... wrote:
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                                      > Where I live, I have room in my backyard for a target as well. I wanted to set one up, but then checked with my local police station. I was told that since I had neighbors on 3 sides, I would not, legally, be able to set one up. You might want to check with your local police before setting up a target.
                                      >
                                      > My 2 cents worh,
                                      >
                                      > Eoin
                                      > Iron Bog
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                                    • Caterina Fortuna
                                      Please, don t use peanut bags. Or tell anyone who touches your equipment that if they are allergic that can t be near you. My food allergies last week at
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                                        Please, don't use peanut bags. Or tell anyone who touches your equipment that if they are allergic that can't be near you. My food allergies last week at Estrella went from mild to so severe i nearly went to the er.

                                        Personally, I use a target that's 3" or less for practice. When you start grouping regularly change it up. Shoot at 10 yds for practicing your form. Shoot at 15 & 18 yds as these are common in novelty shoots. And 20 yds is common. My first year of serious shooting, i shot at 10 for weeks, then 10 & 15, then 10, 15, & 18. Finally when i made it back to 20, i found that i could hit it regularly. I also had a better understanding of 'unknown distances' at sca tourneys as well as how to adjust for them.

                                        Height: waist to chest high. For standard royal rounds in an tir, caid, and atenveldt in my experience.

                                        Alternatives: sit in a chair, kneel, squat, aim at a low 'rabbit' target, blow up a water balloon with air, dangle a tennis ball from rubber bands.

                                        Please check with local police or maybe city hall on local laws regarding archery. Some counties are very strict. Some don't care.

                                        If you have neighbors, please don't shot popinjays or other targets high up. I'd lower the target to 'below waist to knee level' depending on how you shoot.
                                        Cat

                                        >
                                        > Also, to make good, cheap targets get burlap peanut bags from your local steak house (they just throw them away) and stuff them with plastic bags (free). They make good targets for practice. You can put whatever you want on the front to act as an aiming point.
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