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  • William Davis
    For my personal target on my range at home, I went very low tech, and FREE.  I bought a nice desk chair, which came in a large cardboard box.  My wife is the
    Message 1 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
      For my personal target on my range at home, I went very low tech, and FREE.  I bought a nice desk chair, which came in a large cardboard box.  My wife is the manager of a dry cleaner, so gets lots and lots of the plastic cover bags back.  I stuff the box with those, as well as all those plastic bags you get from the grocery store, Target, Wal-mart, etc.  The plastic gives when the arrow hits, so stops the arrows nicely, and it does not resist when you pull the arrows out.  When the box face wears out, I just duct tape a new piece of cardboard on the front.  On the inside, on one side, I glued a 12"x2"x1/32" scrap of wood, through which I drilled 2 holes.  From the outside, I ran a rope through the 2 holes, and knotted the ends on the inside.  Easy carrying handle.
      Very easy to make, and as I said, essentially free.  Check with big box (pun intended) stores, such as Staples, Office Depot, Cabela's, Lowes, Home Depot, etc, and you can probably get all the large boxes and cardboard you want, for the price of your effort to ask.


      Gwilym

      --- On Tue, 2/5/13, J. Hughes <jphughessr@...> wrote:

      From: J. Hughes <jphughessr@...>
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target
      To: "SCA-Archery" <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 1:36 PM

       

      I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
       
      Charles O'Connor
    • Michael Scherrer
      We have trouble pealing the blue & pink off the arrows, What we shoot creates enough heat to melt the foam onto the wood shafts. The big bales, make sure that
      Message 2 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
        We have trouble pealing the blue & pink off the arrows,  What we shoot
        creates enough heat to melt the foam onto the wood shafts.
        The big bales, make sure that they run them tight.
        Shooting into the ends, we found that you can lose arrow real fast that
        way.  First round of six, and you can see only the nock ends of some arrowsburied in the bale... 
         

        Personally the cheapest targets are 2" of blue or pink wall insulation styrofoam in front of hay-bales but they don't last long and the haybales get wet and nasty.

        I don't know how to make a circular Saunders mat but if you can sew burlap and have a local farm that bales hay in drum shapes you might manage to slice one in sections and bag it as targets. Never seen it done but it might work.

        Luck!
        Sean


        On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:36 PM, J. Hughes <jphughessr@...> wrote:
         

        I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
         
        Charles O'Connor



      • Michael Scherrer
        Shrink rap that they use to rap pallets works well also, same idea. To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com From: willied0296@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:43:33
        Message 3 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
          Shrink rap that they use to rap pallets works well also, same idea.
           

          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          From: willied0296@...
          Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:43:33 -0800
          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target

           
          For my personal target on my range at home, I went very low tech, and FREE.  I bought a nice desk chair, which came in a large cardboard box.  My wife is the manager of a dry cleaner, so gets lots and lots of the plastic cover bags back.  I stuff the box with those, as well as all those plastic bags you get from the grocery store, Target, Wal-mart, etc.  The plastic gives when the arrow hits, so stops the arrows nicely, and it does not resist when you pull the arrows out.  When the box face wears out, I just duct tape a new piece of cardboard on the front.  On the inside, on one side, I glued a 12"x2"x1/32" scrap of wood, through which I drilled 2 holes.  From the outside, I ran a rope through the 2 holes, and knotted the ends on the inside.  Easy carrying handle.
          Very easy to make, and as I said, essentially free.  Check with big box (pun intended) stores, such as Staples, Office Depot, Cabela's, Lowes, Home Depot, etc, and you can probably get all the large boxes and cardboard you want, for the price of your effort to ask.


          Gwilym

          --- On Tue, 2/5/13, J. Hughes <jphughessr@...> wrote:

          From: J. Hughes <jphughessr@...>
          Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target
          To: "SCA-Archery" <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com>
          Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 1:36 PM

           


          I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
           
          Charles O'Connor
        • lekervere
          I have another method that might work. Your mileage may vary. I came up with this method arranging for novelty targets at a shire shoot. We needed something
          Message 4 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
            I have another method that might work. Your mileage may vary. I came up with this method arranging for novelty targets at a shire shoot. We needed something that would stop arrows, but could be lifted for a pop-up target. I now use a slab for target shooting when I don't want to drive out to the bow club. It has never failed to stop my arrows from passing through.

            Go to your local cotsco or similar and collect the flat layers of cardboard that are set between layers on a pallet. Make up a big pot of wheat paste and use a paint roller to spread the glue and stick the layers of cardboard together, about 12 layers thick. The paste makes the layers warp a bit, so stack some bricks on top of the pile as it dries. It takes about a day to dry with warm sunshine. The whole thing is cheap and quick, and it stops arrows, even when they enter previously punched holes.

            As it gets worn, you can glue a few more layers on, or make a new one.

            For novelties this material can be cut on a bandsaw into nearly any shape. We have a ten foot dragon built up in layers.

            I remember an old book (I'll check the library) that showed how to make wheel shaped archery butts from straw. It called for long stem straw, not baled straw. You started at the center and spiraled out, using a large needle and twine to tie the butt together.

            Edward le Kervere

            --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
            >
            > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
            >  
            > Charles O'Connor
            >
          • JDS
            Hello Archers I like Foam Targets & other than looks Do not care so much for Saunders Matt s for the reasons already discussed. Weight, size, don t get wet
            Message 5 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
              Hello Archers

              I like Foam Targets & other than looks Do not care so much
              for Saunders Matt's for the reasons already discussed.
              Weight, size, don't get wet
              (Western WA&OR shooting in Rain happens),
              bulky frames,transport&broken arrows (for us who miss & hit frame)
              cost,etc.

              I have Encountered a branch that for aesthetics
              essentially refused any thing except Saunders Matt's.


              Wye wood.An Tir
              (shire soon to be barony)
              & I have made a number of Foam Target
              Butts. Salvaged Foam only cost straps/wrap & labour & petrol.


              We replaced the hay bales 3? years ago.
              saving ~32 (& cost)bales each replacements time.
              (1 -2x a year)
              we have rebuilt them a few times taking the bad
              pieces out or moving to top /bottom.

              The first set was approximately 6-7 foot long
              by 4-5 foot high

              (Later rebuilt to~4'H for easier transport/uniformity)
              and 10-12 inches thick

              Thickness picked by combo of crossbow bolt length
              & what it took to stop arrows from ~40-50 # bows.

              These replaced 2-3 stacks of hay bales with no crack
              to shoot through.

              Theses were stacked of pieces 7 foot x ~1 foot x 2 inches
              as mentioned below.(some of it was cutting my material for
              as close to zero waste as possible.

              Center was 2-4 # closed cell Foam with about a foot of styro foam
              on top and bottom,(Cut up old hot tub covers)(made them look like backwards ores)
              strapped together with Non ratchet straps
              (ratchets used to compress)Then Pallet wrap the whole thing.
              Pallet strapping would work too if you have equipment.
              Smaller 4 foot high 2-2.5foot wide x~1foot
              ones have been made with burlap to
              cover used at events.

              These were made flat faced of various foams
              possibly with out strapping as it gets pallet wrapped also.

              Drive a piece or two of re bar (or t posts)
              in the ground to keep it up right and in place.
              Zip tie or tie to Posts.

              Nice thing Is one person and pick up the Small one and toss
              it in the car . The larger ones can be moved by one prison though
              a bit awkward.


              Carpet or cardboard stacked works as described below
              beater for a (more)permanent place. (heavy & awkward)

              I have also with the above foams 2-8# pound and styro
              built some flat faced
              and rebuilt the "Block" brand a targets.

              5-8# 2 inch's thick will generally stop a arrow up to 50#
              belong 50 its gets a bit thin . I have seen an additional
              2-4 " piece added for what ever target cross bows are used on.

              You can buy 24x24 square for $40? already from a tart get place
              (don't see link Right off hand)
              You can make a simple wood frame or use a cardboard box
              or hang it.

              A box full of plastic grocery bags with(or without)
              a Piece of foam will do nicely too.

              Styro or other hard foams are not recommended they take tips
              and the leave a mess
              however if its the best you can do Pallet wrap is your friend .

              The used hot tub covers
              (often free for the asking at a hot tub shop)
              can be used as it with the vinyl
              still on them.
              A 4x6-7 foot hot tub cover is also a nice base
              for a york target.

              One of us also built a york target like the small ones
              above that folded so you had a 2x4 footx`1Fft thick traveling unit
              that folded out to 4x4 by 6 inches thick.

              And Traditionally IIRC a nice Pile of dirt was
              the Butt.



              I Hope this makes sense feel free to ask questions
              I have pictures some place.Plenty of cheap /free
              material that work.

              In service to the Dream & Archery
              Johann Fairhand
              Archer TAM TWM Etc An Tir



              Snipped
              In a previous shire we had a company that made foam similar to camping mats. As part of the production process there was scrap about 8" x 24" and 1/2" thick. Some genius got the idea to stack 48 of them to make a 24" x 24" x 8" block of foam layers. Eventually the ones near the center wore out but 2 quick snips of the pallet banding to disassemble then throw away the middle third of the layers and add fresh was pretty easy... but there were jigs to hold the foam and pallet strap ratchets and other stuff 'borrowed' and the foam was free/cheap which made it cost effective. I don't think I would want to duplicate the technique with actual Walmart camp-mats. 1 sheet would get you 9 layers which are only 3/8" thick so maybe 3" per mat so you would need 8 mats per target. That gets pretty expensive but you only need to replace 2-3 mats worth of padding each year.


              I was at a professional archery range that did something similar with corregated cardboard. They stacked it end-on so you were looking down the corregation channels and clamped it in 2x4's with threaded rod. Also worked and could replace the layers that were most worn but you need a cheap source for 24" x 8-9" pieces of cardboard.


              Personally the cheapest targets are 2" of blue or pink wall insulation styrofoam in front of hay-bales but they don't last long and the haybales get wet and nasty.


              I don't know how to make a circular Saunders mat but if you can sew burlap and have a local farm that bales hay in drum shapes you might manage to slice one in sections and bag it as targets. Never seen it done but it might work.


              Luck!
              Sean
            • Ken Dolphin
              Two very inexpensive types, that I have seen, and used, are either, six inch wide strips of corrigated cardboard rolled up and taped. Takes some time but uses
              Message 6 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
                Two very inexpensive types, that I have seen, and used, are either, six inch wide strips of corrigated cardboard rolled up and taped. Takes some time but uses cardboard from waste bins.
                 
                Other good way involves making a framework to surround a gunny sack filled with plastic grocery bags.
                 
                Both of these will stop crossbow bolts.
                 
                Kenneth of Shaftesbury
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: J. Hughes
                Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:36 PM
                Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target

                 

                I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                 
                Charles O'Connor

              • chris and sher
                hi, tested and prooven, 6lb. ethafoam, or athletic foam. black or white , an a treated wood frame, 1 range outside for 5 years and could make another 5 with
                Message 7 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
                  hi, tested and prooven, 6lb. ethafoam, or athletic foam. black or white , an a treated wood frame, 1 range outside for 5 years and could make another 5 with target rotation,
                  this is the same materials used for the archery targets at n.o.w.m, by cleftlands.  around here we purchased at , american foam products, painsville oh. when purchased it was$ 49.00 per 2’x 94”. i cut into 3 2’x 33 3/8” pieces. use 2 pieces per target . ending up with a 4’ x 33” target face , mounted with zip strips. its good to put a another piece to double the thicknes on the 20 and 30 yard targets to prevent compound fractures.
                  only needs to be wide enought to cover the wood , not the whole target face
                  christopher
                   
                  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:09 PM
                  Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] Target
                   
                   

                  We have been buying from a company called Technifoam out of St Louis MO.
                  They do custom foam inlays for packing / shipping.
                  You may check if there is some thing like it in your area.
                  Bought 2 butts this year again,  6" x 48" x 54"  @ 2.2# dencity.  About $155.00 each.
                  This is a self closing cell type foam.
                  We will get at least 10,000 center shoots out of these before they start to sofen up.
                  By rotating your target on the face of the butt =  Increase the number of shoots / life...
                  No problems with rodents, retains little water, can be picked up and moved by most
                  members shooting (they do not weight in like the saunders, nor soak up rain)
                  Do cover them with burlep or some other cloth to get rid of the modern look.
                  Too many laters of burlep will bounce an arrow ... One layer and your target has
                  worked will for us.
                   
                  Master Thomas of Cologne
                  Calontir Archer

                   

                  To: sca-archery@yahoogroups.com
                  From: jphughessr@...
                  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:36:00 -0800
                  Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target

                   
                  I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                   
                  Charles O'Connor

                   






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                • John Atkins
                  Cahrles, My local barony invested in two Saunders mats but they were not cared for as need be and did not last as long as they could have. The other problem
                  Message 8 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
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                    Cahrles,
                    My local barony invested in two Saunders mats but they were not cared for as need be and did not last as long as they could have.  The other problem with Saudners mats, and I have contacted them about this, is that they tend to suck off arrow points.  Very frustrating.  YES!  I have gone through all the processes of applying the points in manners so they will not come off but they do.  So the solution from my perspective is two fold.  First is if there is a steak house near you that serves peanuts to waiting customers ask them to save the burlap bags for you.  They just throw them in the trash anyway.  Stuff them with palstic bags, from grocery stores and every where else, and they last a very long time.  Alternative, collect cardboard.  The back of most stores is a good place but if you can talk a store into giving you the mellon boxes for display they are better as the cardboad is about three times thicker than normal cardboard.  Your last resort is foam panneling, 4 X 8.  About $25 - 30 per sheet but cut into 2 X 4 you get 4 pieces for back stops.  You would have to double this up with cardboard or two layers to stop a bow of 45 ponds or more.
                     
                    Saunders mats, in my opinion, while really "authentic", just are not worth the money unless someone else is paying for them.
                     
                    cog
                  • Taslen
                    Good day Lord Christopher and Lady Cherise Nice to hear from you, folks I have shot these targets,  they work great just make sure to use Pledge or something
                    Message 9 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
                      Good day Lord Christopher and Lady Cherise

                      Nice to hear from you, folks I have shot these targets,  they work great just make sure to use Pledge or something on the shafts first! Christopher do they have a website or do you have their phone number? Again so nice to see you both!

                      Gaelen O'Gradaigh
                      Midrealm archery marshal of the field
                      Archery MIC for Encampment 2013
                      Co-editor Quivers & Quarrels



                      From: chris and sher <CTURK2@...>
                      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:11 PM
                      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target

                       
                      hi, tested and prooven, 6lb. ethafoam, or athletic foam. black or white , an a treated wood frame, 1 range outside for 5 years and could make another 5 with target rotation,
                      this is the same materials used for the archery targets at n.o.w.m, by cleftlands.  around here we purchased at , american foam products, painsville oh. when purchased it was$ 49.00 per 2’x 94”. i cut into 3 2’x 33 3/8” pieces. use 2 pieces per target . ending up with a 4’ x 33” target face , mounted with zip strips. its good to put a another piece to double the thicknes on the 20 and 30 yard targets to prevent compound fractures.
                      only needs to be wide enought to cover the wood , not the whole target face
                      christopher
                       
                      Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:09 PM
                      Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] Target
                       
                       
                      We have been buying from a company called Technifoam out of St Louis MO.
                      They do custom foam inlays for packing / shipping.
                      You may check if there is some thing like it in your area.
                      Bought 2 butts this year again,  6" x 48" x 54"  @ 2.2# dencity.  About $155.00 each.
                      This is a self closing cell type foam.
                      We will get at least 10,000 center shoots out of these before they start to sofen up.
                      By rotating your target on the face of the butt =  Increase the number of shoots / life...
                      No problems with rodents, retains little water, can be picked up and moved by most
                      members shooting (they do not weight in like the saunders, nor soak up rain)
                      Do cover them with burlep or some other cloth to get rid of the modern look.
                      Too many laters of burlep will bounce an arrow ... One layer and your target has
                      worked will for us.
                       
                      Master Thomas of Cologne
                      Calontir Archer

                       

                      To: sca-archery@yahoogroups.com
                      From: jphughessr@...
                      Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:36:00 -0800
                      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target

                       
                      I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                       
                      Charles O'Connor
                       





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                    • Randal of Camusfearna
                      I ve made targets out of corrugated plastic, which is used for outdoor signs. Look for 4 x 8 sheets used for political signs during campaigns and collect
                      Message 10 of 24 , Feb 5, 2013
                        I've made targets out of corrugated plastic, which is used for outdoor signs. Look for 4' x 8' sheets used for political signs during campaigns and collect them after the election takes place. Three layers will stop arrows from most bows. Great for making novelty targets, I've made life size fighter figures from them.

                        Randal of Camusfearna.

                        --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                        >
                        > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                        >  
                        > Charles O'Connor
                        >
                      • chris and sher
                        for the aesthetics of the foam, targets with treated stands, we bought a mid to heavey burlap and hemed the edges and sewed reinforcement patches with ties
                        Message 11 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                          for the aesthetics of the foam, targets with treated stands, we bought a mid
                          to heavey burlap and hemed the edges and sewed reinforcement patches with
                          ties made of heavy canvas, these cover all of the modern materials and look
                          pretty good/ natural.
                          christopher

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: JDS
                          Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:37 PM
                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Cc: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target

                          Hello Archers

                          I like Foam Targets & other than looks Do not care so much
                          for Saunders Matt's for the reasons already discussed.
                          Weight, size, don't get wet
                          (Western WA&OR shooting in Rain happens),
                          bulky frames,transport&broken arrows (for us who miss & hit frame)
                          cost,etc.

                          I have Encountered a branch that for aesthetics
                          essentially refused any thing except Saunders Matt's.


                          Wye wood.An Tir
                          (shire soon to be barony)
                          & I have made a number of Foam Target
                          Butts. Salvaged Foam only cost straps/wrap & labour & petrol.


                          We replaced the hay bales 3? years ago.
                          saving ~32 (& cost)bales each replacements time.
                          (1 -2x a year)
                          we have rebuilt them a few times taking the bad
                          pieces out or moving to top /bottom.

                          The first set was approximately 6-7 foot long
                          by 4-5 foot high

                          (Later rebuilt to~4'H for easier transport/uniformity)
                          and 10-12 inches thick

                          Thickness picked by combo of crossbow bolt length
                          & what it took to stop arrows from ~40-50 # bows.

                          These replaced 2-3 stacks of hay bales with no crack
                          to shoot through.

                          Theses were stacked of pieces 7 foot x ~1 foot x 2 inches
                          as mentioned below.(some of it was cutting my material for
                          as close to zero waste as possible.

                          Center was 2-4 # closed cell Foam with about a foot of styro foam
                          on top and bottom,(Cut up old hot tub covers)(made them look like backwards
                          ores)
                          strapped together with Non ratchet straps
                          (ratchets used to compress)Then Pallet wrap the whole thing.
                          Pallet strapping would work too if you have equipment.
                          Smaller 4 foot high 2-2.5foot wide x~1foot
                          ones have been made with burlap to
                          cover used at events.

                          These were made flat faced of various foams
                          possibly with out strapping as it gets pallet wrapped also.

                          Drive a piece or two of re bar (or t posts)
                          in the ground to keep it up right and in place.
                          Zip tie or tie to Posts.

                          Nice thing Is one person and pick up the Small one and toss
                          it in the car . The larger ones can be moved by one prison though
                          a bit awkward.


                          Carpet or cardboard stacked works as described below
                          beater for a (more)permanent place. (heavy & awkward)

                          I have also with the above foams 2-8# pound and styro
                          built some flat faced
                          and rebuilt the "Block" brand a targets.

                          5-8# 2 inch's thick will generally stop a arrow up to 50#
                          belong 50 its gets a bit thin . I have seen an additional
                          2-4 " piece added for what ever target cross bows are used on.

                          You can buy 24x24 square for $40? already from a tart get place
                          (don't see link Right off hand)
                          You can make a simple wood frame or use a cardboard box
                          or hang it.

                          A box full of plastic grocery bags with(or without)
                          a Piece of foam will do nicely too.

                          Styro or other hard foams are not recommended they take tips
                          and the leave a mess
                          however if its the best you can do Pallet wrap is your friend .

                          The used hot tub covers
                          (often free for the asking at a hot tub shop)
                          can be used as it with the vinyl
                          still on them.
                          A 4x6-7 foot hot tub cover is also a nice base
                          for a york target.

                          One of us also built a york target like the small ones
                          above that folded so you had a 2x4 footx`1Fft thick traveling unit
                          that folded out to 4x4 by 6 inches thick.

                          And Traditionally IIRC a nice Pile of dirt was
                          the Butt.



                          I Hope this makes sense feel free to ask questions
                          I have pictures some place.Plenty of cheap /free
                          material that work.

                          In service to the Dream & Archery
                          Johann Fairhand
                          Archer TAM TWM Etc An Tir



                          Snipped
                          In a previous shire we had a company that made foam similar to camping mats.
                          As part of the production process there was scrap about 8" x 24" and 1/2"
                          thick. Some genius got the idea to stack 48 of them to make a 24" x 24" x 8"
                          block of foam layers. Eventually the ones near the center wore out but 2
                          quick snips of the pallet banding to disassemble then throw away the middle
                          third of the layers and add fresh was pretty easy... but there were jigs to
                          hold the foam and pallet strap ratchets and other stuff 'borrowed' and the
                          foam was free/cheap which made it cost effective. I don't think I would want
                          to duplicate the technique with actual Walmart camp-mats. 1 sheet would get
                          you 9 layers which are only 3/8" thick so maybe 3" per mat so you would need
                          8 mats per target. That gets pretty expensive but you only need to replace
                          2-3 mats worth of padding each year.


                          I was at a professional archery range that did something similar with
                          corregated cardboard. They stacked it end-on so you were looking down the
                          corregation channels and clamped it in 2x4's with threaded rod. Also worked
                          and could replace the layers that were most worn but you need a cheap source
                          for 24" x 8-9" pieces of cardboard.


                          Personally the cheapest targets are 2" of blue or pink wall insulation
                          styrofoam in front of hay-bales but they don't last long and the haybales
                          get wet and nasty.


                          I don't know how to make a circular Saunders mat but if you can sew burlap
                          and have a local farm that bales hay in drum shapes you might manage to
                          slice one in sections and bag it as targets. Never seen it done but it might
                          work.


                          Luck!
                          Sean





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                        • chris and sher
                          i;ll look i up, i was trying to find the pics and assembly instructions/ measurements for the ones we built but there gone, good t here from ya too . were
                          Message 12 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                            i;ll look i up, i was trying to find the pics and assembly instructions/ measurements for the ones we built but there gone, good t here from ya too .
                            were still here lurking in the background,
                             
                            been distracted with our blackmores night tribute band,  (www(dot)reverbnation(dot)com/crystalballband)  and our local groups, politics
                            but were hoping to get back to it .
                            christopher
                             
                            From: Taslen
                            Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:21 PM
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target
                             
                             

                            Good day Lord Christopher and Lady Cherise

                            Nice to hear from you, folks I have shot these targets,  they work great just make sure to use Pledge or something on the shafts first! Christopher do they have a website or do you have their phone number? Again so nice to see you both!

                            Gaelen O'Gradaigh
                            Midrealm archery marshal of the field
                            Archery MIC for Encampment 2013
                            Co-editor Quivers & Quarrels

                             

                            From: chris and sher <CTURK2@...>
                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:11 PM
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target
                             
                             
                            hi, tested and prooven, 6lb. ethafoam, or athletic foam. black or white , an a treated wood frame, 1 range outside for 5 years and could make another 5 with target rotation,
                            this is the same materials used for the archery targets at n.o.w.m, by cleftlands.  around here we purchased at , american foam products, painsville oh. when purchased it was$ 49.00 per 2’x 94”. i cut into 3 2’x 33 3/8” pieces. use 2 pieces per target . ending up with a 4’ x 33” target face , mounted with zip strips. its good to put a another piece to double the thicknes on the 20 and 30 yard targets to prevent compound fractures.
                            only needs to be wide enought to cover the wood , not the whole target face
                            christopher
                             
                            Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:09 PM
                            Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] Target
                             
                             
                            We have been buying from a company called Technifoam out of St Louis MO.
                            They do custom foam inlays for packing / shipping.
                            You may check if there is some thing like it in your area.
                            Bought 2 butts this year again,  6" x 48" x 54"  @ 2.2# dencity.  About $155.00 each.
                            This is a self closing cell type foam.
                            We will get at least 10,000 center shoots out of these before they start to sofen up.
                            By rotating your target on the face of the butt =  Increase the number of shoots / life...
                            No problems with rodents, retains little water, can be picked up and moved by most
                            members shooting (they do not weight in like the saunders, nor soak up rain)
                            Do cover them with burlep or some other cloth to get rid of the modern look.
                            Too many laters of burlep will bounce an arrow ... One layer and your target has
                            worked will for us.
                             
                            Master Thomas of Cologne
                            Calontir Archer

                             

                            To: sca-archery@yahoogroups.com
                            From: jphughessr@...
                            Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:36:00 -0800
                            Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target

                             
                            I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                             
                            Charles O'Connor
                             





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                          • Taslen
                            I forwarded you what you had sent me ________________________________ From: chris and sher To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
                            Message 13 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                              I forwarded you what you had sent me


                              From: chris and sher <CTURK2@...>
                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 8:05 AM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target

                               
                              i;ll look i up, i was trying to find the pics and assembly instructions/ measurements for the ones we built but there gone, good t here from ya too .
                              were still here lurking in the background,
                               
                              been distracted with our blackmores night tribute band,  (www(dot)reverbnation(dot)com/crystalballband)  and our local groups, politics
                              but were hoping to get back to it .
                              christopher
                               
                              From: Taslen
                              Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:21 PM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target
                               
                               
                              Good day Lord Christopher and Lady Cherise

                              Nice to hear from you, folks I have shot these targets,  they work great just make sure to use Pledge or something on the shafts first! Christopher do they have a website or do you have their phone number? Again so nice to see you both!

                              Gaelen O'Gradaigh
                              Midrealm archery marshal of the field
                              Archery MIC for Encampment 2013
                              Co-editor Quivers & Quarrels

                               

                              From: chris and sher <CTURK2@...>
                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:11 PM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Target
                               
                               
                              hi, tested and prooven, 6lb. ethafoam, or athletic foam. black or white , an a treated wood frame, 1 range outside for 5 years and could make another 5 with target rotation,
                              this is the same materials used for the archery targets at n.o.w.m, by cleftlands.  around here we purchased at , american foam products, painsville oh. when purchased it was$ 49.00 per 2’x 94”. i cut into 3 2’x 33 3/8” pieces. use 2 pieces per target . ending up with a 4’ x 33” target face , mounted with zip strips. its good to put a another piece to double the thicknes on the 20 and 30 yard targets to prevent compound fractures.
                              only needs to be wide enought to cover the wood , not the whole target face
                              christopher
                               
                              Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:09 PM
                              Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] Target
                               
                               
                              We have been buying from a company called Technifoam out of St Louis MO.
                              They do custom foam inlays for packing / shipping.
                              You may check if there is some thing like it in your area.
                              Bought 2 butts this year again,  6" x 48" x 54"  @ 2.2# dencity.  About $155.00 each.
                              This is a self closing cell type foam.
                              We will get at least 10,000 center shoots out of these before they start to sofen up.
                              By rotating your target on the face of the butt =  Increase the number of shoots / life...
                              No problems with rodents, retains little water, can be picked up and moved by most
                              members shooting (they do not weight in like the saunders, nor soak up rain)
                              Do cover them with burlep or some other cloth to get rid of the modern look.
                              Too many laters of burlep will bounce an arrow ... One layer and your target has
                              worked will for us.
                               
                              Master Thomas of Cologne
                              Calontir Archer

                               

                              To: sca-archery@yahoogroups.com
                              From: jphughessr@...
                              Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:36:00 -0800
                              Subject: [SCA-Archery] Target

                               
                              I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                               
                              Charles O'Connor
                               





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                            • tkstop
                              We ve been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x 24. Orders over $75
                              Message 14 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the free shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a year and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.

                                --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                >
                                > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                >  
                                > Charles O'Connor
                                >
                              • Doug Copley
                                That s a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of 23.5 . If there
                                Message 15 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                  That's a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of 23.5". If there was any way to get them as a 24 x 24 it would be great!

                                  This would be short changing anyone that shoots at them.

                                  Vincenti


                                  On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, tkstop <tkstop@...> wrote:
                                   



                                  We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                  www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the free shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a year and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.

                                  --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                  >  
                                  > Charles O'Connor
                                  >


                                • tkstop
                                  The extra 1/2 doesn t really effect anything because it is actually outside the scoring area.
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                    The extra 1/2" doesn't really effect anything because it is actually outside the scoring area.

                                    --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                    >
                                    > That's a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard
                                    > FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of
                                    > 23.5". If there was any way to get them as a 24 x 24 it would be great!
                                    >
                                    > This would be short changing anyone that shoots at them.
                                    >
                                    > Vincenti
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > **
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                    > > www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x
                                    > > 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the free
                                    > > shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a year
                                    > > and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could
                                    > > run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we
                                    > > could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Charles O'Connor
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Doug Copley
                                    no, the scoring area is 23.5 the actual target face is 24 7/8 but that includes the non-scoring area Vincenti
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                      no, the scoring area is 23.5" the actual target face is 24 7/8" but that includes the non-scoring area

                                      Vincenti


                                      On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM, tkstop <tkstop@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      The extra 1/2" doesn't really effect anything because it is actually outside the scoring area.

                                      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                      >
                                      > That's a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard
                                      > FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of
                                      > 23.5". If there was any way to get them as a 24 x 24 it would be great!
                                      >
                                      > This would be short changing anyone that shoots at them.
                                      >
                                      > Vincenti
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > **
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                      > > www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x
                                      > > 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the free
                                      > > shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a year
                                      > > and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could
                                      > > run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we
                                      > > could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Charles O'Connor
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >


                                    • tkstop
                                      I ll have to look when I get home, but I m sure the entire scoring area fits on the ones I have.
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                        I'll have to look when I get home, but I'm sure the entire scoring area fits on the ones I have.

                                        --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                        >
                                        > no, the scoring area is 23.5" the actual target face is 24 7/8" but that
                                        > includes the non-scoring area
                                        >
                                        > Vincenti
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > **
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > The extra 1/2" doesn't really effect anything because it is actually
                                        > > outside the scoring area.
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > That's a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard
                                        > > > FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of
                                        > > > 23.5". If there was any way to get them as a 24 x 24 it would be great!
                                        > > >
                                        > > > This would be short changing anyone that shoots at them.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Vincenti
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > **
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                        > > > > www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x
                                        > > 23 x
                                        > > > > 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the
                                        > > free
                                        > > > > shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a
                                        > > year
                                        > > > > and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we
                                        > > could
                                        > > > > run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we
                                        > > > > could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Charles O'Connor
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • Doug Copley
                                        it could be that the ones you have are slightly larger than 23 , also if you space them evenly then they would only overlap 1/4 on each side and that would
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                          it could be that the ones you have are slightly larger than 23", also if you space them evenly then they would only overlap 1/4" on each side and that would only be about 3" of scoring area.

                                          Vincenti
                                          Who hopes his shots are closer to the center so that I do not have to worry about it:-)


                                          On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM, tkstop <tkstop@...> wrote:
                                           


                                          I'll have to look when I get home, but I'm sure the entire scoring area fits on the ones I have.

                                          --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                          >
                                          > no, the scoring area is 23.5" the actual target face is 24 7/8" but that
                                          > includes the non-scoring area
                                          >
                                          > Vincenti
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > **
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > The extra 1/2" doesn't really effect anything because it is actually
                                          > > outside the scoring area.
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, Doug Copley wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > That's a good price, unfortunately I would hate to buy them. The standard
                                          > > > FITA target that we use for Royal Rounds and IKACs have a diameter of
                                          > > > 23.5". If there was any way to get them as a 24 x 24 it would be great!
                                          > > >
                                          > > > This would be short changing anyone that shoots at them.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Vincenti
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM, tkstop wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > **
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                          > > > > www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x
                                          > > 23 x
                                          > > > > 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the
                                          > > free
                                          > > > > shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a
                                          > > year
                                          > > > > and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we
                                          > > could
                                          > > > > run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we
                                          > > > > could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Charles O'Connor
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >


                                        • Taslen
                                          Charles Any problems with crossbows? Gaelen ________________________________ From: tkstop To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Feb 6, 2013
                                            Charles

                                            Any problems with crossbows?

                                            Gaelen


                                            From: tkstop <tkstop@...>
                                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 2:28 PM
                                            Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Target

                                             


                                            We've been using Polyethylene Foam Archery Targets available at
                                            www.foambymail.com. They are currently $24.99 each. They measure 2 x 23 x 24. Orders over $75 have free shipping. You have to order 4 to get the free shipping, but they last a long time. We've been using them for over a year and have had no problems. They wear well and are weather resistant.

                                            --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "J. Hughes" wrote:
                                            >
                                            > I proposed that my shire invest in saunders mats and faces so we could run royal rounds. People in the shire asked me to explore ways that we could make targets from foam that would last. Any suggestions??
                                            >  
                                            > Charles O'Connor
                                            >



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