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  • Siegfried
    Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a any shoot can qualify thing. Primarily I meant the nature that this is still
    Message 1 of 29 , Jan 5, 2013
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      Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing. 

      Primarily I meant the nature that this is still standardized in the nature of "create a shoot that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique ones that are encouraged in our area. 

      As people are not typically excited to drive 3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend. 

      :-)

      Siegfried


      On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@...> wrote:

      Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia) that have prided themselves at havin unique interesting shoots at events. And keeping "stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.

      Siegfried


      On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

      One question:

      "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

      Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

      William Arwemakere

      On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@...> wrote:
       

      Dear Gladius -
      This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?

      JoO
      Calontir



      ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
      > Gentlemen & Ladies,
      > >
      > From time to time over the years a discussion
      > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
      > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
      > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
      > that the existing standardized competitions give
      > a well rounded view of the skill of many
      > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
      > way of recording and comparing the standings of
      > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
      > events. More recently we had the discussion
      > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
      > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
      > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
      > of new martial Peerages in addition to
      > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
      > suggested that we need something in the archery
      > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
      > A number of us realized that the task of
      > designing such a tournament could not be
      > accomplished in a large public forum. We
      > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
      > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
      > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
      > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
      > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
      > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
      > rules as a test. As a result of the test
      > tournament, the rules were modified and
      > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
      > created to automatically calculate the percentile
      > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
      > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
      > public comment prior to creating the scores
      > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
      > >
      > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
      > >
      > >
      > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
      > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
      > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
      > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
      > and compare their performance to archers
      > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
      > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
      > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
      > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
      > means needed to be devised to record scores and
      > compare archer’s resulting standings in
      > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
      > large events where archery is included. The GAT
      > is an attempt to address this need.
      >
      > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
      > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
      > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
      > be calculated based on their performance relative
      > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
      > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
      > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
      > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
      > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
      > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
      > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
      > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
      > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
      > the other competitors. The winner of the
      > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
      > while the others will have standings calculated
      > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
      >
      > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
      > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
      > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
      > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
      > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
      >
      > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
      > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
      > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
      > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
      > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
      > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
      > of 50 or higher will have their record
      > automatically posted to the scores page. This
      > cut off is necessary due to space and other
      > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
      > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
      > standings have reached the 50% or above
      > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
      > scores and request that a record be displayed
      > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
      > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
      >
      > In the above example where eight crossbow
      > shooters participated, only the individuals who
      > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
      > automatically added to the scores page, if they
      > did not already have a previous record
      > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
      > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
      > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
      > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
      > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
      >
      > If you have any questions, comments, or
      > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
      >
      > Marshal Accounts
      > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
      > account, and would be willing to submit your
      > scores via the site, please send me an email with
      > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
      > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
      > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
      > are submitted via the site will be given priority
      > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
      >
      > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
      > Any archery competition can be designated a
      > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
      > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
      > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
      >
      > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
      > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
      > presence of a range of skill levels among the
      > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
      > scores for that division will not be valid and
      > will not be calculated and posted to the official
      > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
      > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
      > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
      > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
      > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
      > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
      > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
      > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
      > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
      > at several events in several locations. So long
      > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
      > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
      > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
      > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
      > be set up at two or three events that all six
      > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
      > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
      > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
      > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
      > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
      > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
      > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
      > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
      > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
      > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
      >
      > To be official, the competition must be shot at
      > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
      > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
      > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
      > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
      > are present. This rule has been added to assure
      > the maximum number of participants the
      > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
      > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
      > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
      > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
      > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
      > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
      > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
      > according to your archery rules may be used in a
      > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
      > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
      > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
      > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
      >
      > Certain basic information must be recorded and
      > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
      > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
      > place or places where the shoot was held,
      > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
      > participants, their home groups, their home
      > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
      > numeric score. Ties do not present a
      > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
      > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
      > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
      > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
      > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
      > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
      > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
      > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
      >
      > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
      > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
      > entered in any order. The resulting standings
      > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.


    • Jonathas
      Siegfried, That was added so that in locations that do not draw many archers it would be possible to hold the same shoot at several events such that the
      Message 2 of 29 , Jan 5, 2013
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        Siegfried,

        That was added so that in locations that do not draw many archers it would be possible to hold the same shoot at several events such that the combined total of archers would be enough.  We are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of our archery events have enough archers to qualify.

        Jonathas

        On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried" <siegfried@...> wrote:
         

        Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing. 

        Primarily I meant the nature that this is still standardized in the nature of "create a shoot that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique ones that are encouraged in our area. 

        As people are not typically excited to drive 3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend. 

        :-)

        Siegfried


        On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@...> wrote:

        Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia) that have prided themselves at havin unique interesting shoots at events. And keeping "stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.

        Siegfried


        On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

        One question:

        "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

        Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

        William Arwemakere

        On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@...> wrote:
         

        Dear Gladius -
        This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?

        JoO
        Calontir



        ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
        > Gentlemen & Ladies,
        > >
        > From time to time over the years a discussion
        > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
        > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
        > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
        > that the existing standardized competitions give
        > a well rounded view of the skill of many
        > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
        > way of recording and comparing the standings of
        > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
        > events. More recently we had the discussion
        > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
        > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
        > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
        > of new martial Peerages in addition to
        > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
        > suggested that we need something in the archery
        > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
        > A number of us realized that the task of
        > designing such a tournament could not be
        > accomplished in a large public forum. We
        > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
        > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
        > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
        > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
        > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
        > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
        > rules as a test. As a result of the test
        > tournament, the rules were modified and
        > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
        > created to automatically calculate the percentile
        > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
        > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
        > public comment prior to creating the scores
        > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
        > >
        > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
        > >
        > >
        > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
        > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
        > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
        > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
        > and compare their performance to archers
        > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
        > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
        > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
        > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
        > means needed to be devised to record scores and
        > compare archer’s resulting standings in
        > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
        > large events where archery is included. The GAT
        > is an attempt to address this need.
        >
        > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
        > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
        > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
        > be calculated based on their performance relative
        > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
        > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
        > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
        > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
        > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
        > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
        > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
        > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
        > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
        > the other competitors. The winner of the
        > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
        > while the others will have standings calculated
        > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
        >
        > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
        > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
        > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
        > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
        > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
        >
        > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
        > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
        > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
        > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
        > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
        > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
        > of 50 or higher will have their record
        > automatically posted to the scores page. This
        > cut off is necessary due to space and other
        > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
        > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
        > standings have reached the 50% or above
        > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
        > scores and request that a record be displayed
        > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
        > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
        >
        > In the above example where eight crossbow
        > shooters participated, only the individuals who
        > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
        > automatically added to the scores page, if they
        > did not already have a previous record
        > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
        > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
        > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
        > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
        > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
        >
        > If you have any questions, comments, or
        > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
        >
        > Marshal Accounts
        > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
        > account, and would be willing to submit your
        > scores via the site, please send me an email with
        > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
        > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
        > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
        > are submitted via the site will be given priority
        > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
        >
        > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
        > Any archery competition can be designated a
        > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
        > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
        > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
        >
        > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
        > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
        > presence of a range of skill levels among the
        > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
        > scores for that division will not be valid and
        > will not be calculated and posted to the official
        > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
        > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
        > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
        > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
        > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
        > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
        > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
        > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
        > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
        > at several events in several locations. So long
        > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
        > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
        > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
        > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
        > be set up at two or three events that all six
        > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
        > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
        > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
        > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
        > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
        > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
        > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
        > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
        > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
        > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
        >
        > To be official, the competition must be shot at
        > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
        > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
        > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
        > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
        > are present. This rule has been added to assure
        > the maximum number of participants the
        > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
        > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
        > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
        > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
        > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
        > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
        > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
        > according to your archery rules may be used in a
        > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
        > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
        > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
        > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
        >
        > Certain basic information must be recorded and
        > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
        > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
        > place or places where the shoot was held,
        > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
        > participants, their home groups, their home
        > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
        > numeric score. Ties do not present a
        > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
        > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
        > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
        > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
        > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
        > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
        > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
        > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
        >
        > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
        > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
        > entered in any order. The resulting standings
        > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.


      • James Koch
        William, ... I tend to agree with you. In my opinion, any time you can get the requisite minimum number of archers together, you ought to be able to submit
        Message 3 of 29 , Jan 5, 2013
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          William, 
          >
          I tend to agree with you.  In my opinion, any time you can get the requisite minimum number of archers together, you ought to be able to submit the resulting scores.  However, when we argued this last year on this very forum several people insisted that they wanted the requirement that the GATs appear on the kingdon calendars so that everyone would be aware when and where they would be held.  If you think about it, this makes sense.  We already have RRs and IKACs to shoot at small weekly practices.  GATs are intended to serve as a means for recording results of archery competitions shot at large events. 
          >
          Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
          >
          >
          >  At 10:18 PM 1/4/2013, you wrote:
           

          One question:

          "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

          Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

          William Arwemakere

          On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@... > wrote:
           

          Dear Gladius -
          This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?

          JoO
          Calontir


          ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
          > Gentlemen & Ladies,
          > >
          > From time to time over the years a discussion
          > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
          > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
          > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
          > that the existing standardized competitions give
          > a well rounded view of the skill of many
          > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
          > way of recording and comparing the standings of
          > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
          > events. More recently we had the discussion
          > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
          > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
          > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
          > of new martial Peerages in addition to
          > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
          > suggested that we need something in the archery
          > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
          > A number of us realized that the task of
          > designing such a tournament could not be
          > accomplished in a large public forum. We
          > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
          > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
          > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
          > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
          > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
          > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
          > rules as a test. As a result of the test
          > tournament, the rules were modified and
          > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
          > created to automatically calculate the percentile
          > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
          > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
          > public comment prior to creating the scores
          > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
          > >
          > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
          > >
          > >
          > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
          > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
          > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
          > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
          > and compare their performance to archers
          > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
          > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
          > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
          > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
          > means needed to be devised to record scores and
          > compare archer’s resulting standings in
          > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
          > large events where archery is included. The GAT
          > is an attempt to address this need.
          >
          > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
          > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
          > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
          > be calculated based on their performance relative
          > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
          > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
          > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
          > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
          > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
          > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
          > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
          > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
          > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
          > the other competitors. The winner of the
          > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
          > while the others will have standings calculated
          > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
          >
          > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
          > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
          > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
          > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
          > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
          >
          > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
          > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
          > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
          > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
          > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
          > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
          > of 50 or higher will have their record
          > automatically posted to the scores page. This
          > cut off is necessary due to space and other
          > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
          > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
          > standings have reached the 50% or above
          > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
          > scores and request that a record be displayed
          > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
          > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
          >
          > In the above example where eight crossbow
          > shooters participated, only the individuals who
          > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
          > automatically added to the scores page, if they
          > did not already have a previous record
          > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
          > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
          > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
          > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
          > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
          >
          > If you have any questions, comments, or
          > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
          >
          > Marshal Accounts
          > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
          > account, and would be willing to submit your
          > scores via the site, please send me an email with
          > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
          > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
          > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
          > are submitted via the site will be given priority
          > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
          >
          > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
          > Any archery competition can be designated a
          > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
          > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
          > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
          >
          > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
          > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
          > presence of a range of skill levels among the
          > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
          > scores for that division will not be valid and
          > will not be calculated and posted to the official
          > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
          > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
          > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
          > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
          > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
          > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
          > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
          > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
          > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
          > at several events in several locations. So long
          > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
          > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
          > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
          > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
          > be set up at two or three events that all six
          > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
          > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
          > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
          > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
          > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
          > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
          > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
          > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
          > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
          > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
          >
          > To be official, the competition must be shot at
          > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
          > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
          > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
          > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
          > are present. This rule has been added to assure
          > the maximum number of participants the
          > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
          > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
          > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
          > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
          > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
          > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
          > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
          > according to your archery rules may be used in a
          > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
          > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
          > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
          > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
          >
          > Certain basic information must be recorded and
          > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
          > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
          > place or places where the shoot was held,
          > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
          > participants, their home groups, their home
          > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
          > numeric score. Ties do not present a
          > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
          > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
          > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
          > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
          > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
          > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
          > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
          > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
          >
          > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
          > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
          > entered in any order. The resulting standings
          > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.


        • James Koch
          Siegfried, ... Jonathas is 100% correct. He neglected to add that people would not have to drive 3 hours to shoot the same thing they shot last weekend.
          Message 4 of 29 , Jan 5, 2013
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            Siegfried,
            >
            Jonathas is 100% correct.  He neglected to add that people would not have to drive 3 hours to shoot the same thing they shot last weekend.  Their score would already be on record. 
            >
            There is something I neglected to mention when I first posted this.  What I posted are not just the rules.  In addition to the rules are notes as to why each rule is thought to be necessary along with examples of what the rule allows.  Once the web site is created, you will see only the actual rules.  For notes, explanations, and examples there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
            >
            Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
            >
            >
            > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
             

            Siegfried,

            That was added so that in locations that do not draw many archers it would be possible to hold the same shoot at several events such that the combined total of archers would be enough.  We are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of our archery events have enough archers to qualify.

            Jonathas
            On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried" <siegfried@... > wrote:
             

            Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.

            Primarily I meant the nature that this is still standardized in the nature of "create a shoot that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique ones that are encouraged in our area.

            As people are not typically excited to drive 3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.

            :-)

            Siegfried


            On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@... > wrote:

            Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia) that have prided themselves at havin unique interesting shoots at events. And keeping "stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.

            Siegfried


            On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

            One question:

            "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

            Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

            William Arwemakere

            On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@... > wrote:
             

            Dear Gladius -
            This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?

            JoO
            Calontir


            ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
            > Gentlemen & Ladies,
            > >
            > From time to time over the years a discussion
            > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
            > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
            > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
            > that the existing standardized competitions give
            > a well rounded view of the skill of many
            > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
            > way of recording and comparing the standings of
            > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
            > events. More recently we had the discussion
            > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
            > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
            > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
            > of new martial Peerages in addition to
            > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
            > suggested that we need something in the archery
            > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
            > A number of us realized that the task of
            > designing such a tournament could not be
            > accomplished in a large public forum. We
            > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
            > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
            > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
            > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
            > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
            > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
            > rules as a test. As a result of the test
            > tournament, the rules were modified and
            > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
            > created to automatically calculate the percentile
            > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
            > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
            > public comment prior to creating the scores
            > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
            > >
            > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
            > >
            > >
            > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
            > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
            > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
            > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
            > and compare their performance to archers
            > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
            > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
            > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
            > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
            > means needed to be devised to record scores and
            > compare archer’s resulting standings in
            > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
            > large events where archery is included. The GAT
            > is an attempt to address this need.
            >
            > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
            > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
            > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
            > be calculated based on their performance relative
            > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
            > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
            > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
            > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
            > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
            > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
            > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
            > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
            > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
            > the other competitors. The winner of the
            > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
            > while the others will have standings calculated
            > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
            >
            > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
            > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
            > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
            > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
            > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
            >
            > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
            > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
            > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
            > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
            > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
            > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
            > of 50 or higher will have their record
            > automatically posted to the scores page. This
            > cut off is necessary due to space and other
            > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
            > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
            > standings have reached the 50% or above
            > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
            > scores and request that a record be displayed
            > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
            > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
            >
            > In the above example where eight crossbow
            > shooters participated, only the individuals who
            > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
            > automatically added to the scores page, if they
            > did not already have a previous record
            > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
            > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
            > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
            > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
            > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
            >
            > If you have any questions, comments, or
            > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
            >
            > Marshal Accounts
            > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
            > account, and would be willing to submit your
            > scores via the site, please send me an email with
            > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
            > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
            > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
            > are submitted via the site will be given priority
            > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
            >
            > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
            > Any archery competition can be designated a
            > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
            > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
            > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
            >
            > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
            > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
            > presence of a range of skill levels among the
            > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
            > scores for that division will not be valid and
            > will not be calculated and posted to the official
            > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
            > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
            > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
            > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
            > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
            > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
            > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
            > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
            > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
            > at several events in several locations. So long
            > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
            > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
            > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
            > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
            > be set up at two or three events that all six
            > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
            > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
            > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
            > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
            > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
            > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
            > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
            > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
            > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
            > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
            >
            > To be official, the competition must be shot at
            > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
            > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
            > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
            > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
            > are present. This rule has been added to assure
            > the maximum number of participants the
            > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
            > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
            > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
            > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
            > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
            > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
            > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
            > according to your archery rules may be used in a
            > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
            > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
            > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
            > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
            >
            > Certain basic information must be recorded and
            > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
            > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
            > place or places where the shoot was held,
            > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
            > participants, their home groups, their home
            > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
            > numeric score. Ties do not present a
            > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
            > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
            > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
            > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
            > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
            > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
            > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
            > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
            >
            > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
            > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
            > entered in any order. The resulting standings
            > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.

          • Des & Jan Howard
            Gladius Well, there you go. Lochac doesn t have a great number of large events. War is usually at large events. If there is war I m strictly a CA, because
            Message 5 of 29 , Jan 6, 2013
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              Gladius
              Well, there you go.
              Lochac doesn't have a great number of large events.
              War is usually at large events. If there is war I'm
              strictly a CA, because archery/war activities usually
              overlap.
              Our rural household shoots IKAC at our monthly
              gatherings before fighter/war practice. Even the
              heavies shoot target.
              Ranif

              On 6/01/2013 1:51 PM, James Koch wrote:
              > We already have RRs and IKACs to shoot at
              > small weekly practices. GATs are intended to serve as
              > a means for recording results of archery competitions
              > shot at large events.
            • edmund_penyngton
              I love this idea, but I did have a question about the multiple events rule. My corner of Gleann Abhann is one such area where this rule would allow us to
              Message 6 of 29 , Jan 6, 2013
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                I love this idea, but I did have a question about the "multiple events" rule. My corner of Gleann Abhann is one such area where this rule would allow us to participate where otherwise we could not, but what happens if/when a shooter attends the second event with the GAT qualifying shoots?

                Do the shooter's first score(s) stand, or their best score(s)? Can they mix and match scores from the two events to form a "composite" of sorts?

                I'm not advocating one way or another, I simply know that this is a question that will eventually come up, and we as marshals need to know.

                -Edmund of Penyngton
                Live Weapons Marshal, Gleann Abhann
                Baronial Yeoman of Small Gray Bear

                --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, James Koch wrote:
                >
                > Siegfried,
                > >
                > Jonathas is 100% correct. He neglected to add
                > that people would not have to drive 3 hours to
                > shoot the same thing they shot last
                > weekend. Their score would already be on record.
                > >
                > There is something I neglected to mention when I
                > first posted this. What I posted are not just
                > the rules. In addition to the rules are notes as
                > to why each rule is thought to be necessary along
                > with examples of what the rule allows. Once the
                > web site is created, you will see only the actual
                > rules. For notes, explanations, and examples
                > there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
                > >
                > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                > >
                > >
                > > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >Siegfried,
                > >
                > >That was added so that in locations that do not
                > >draw many archers it would be possible to hold
                > >the same shoot at several events such that the
                > >combined total of archers would be enough. We
                > >are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of
                > >our archery events have enough archers to qualify.
                > >
                > >Jonathas
                > >On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried"
                > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been
                > >confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.
                > >
                > >Primarily I meant the nature that this is still
                > >standardized in the nature of "create a shoot
                > >that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which
                > >encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique
                > >ones that are encouraged in our area.
                > >
                > >As people are not typically excited to drive
                > >3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.
                > >
                > >:-)
                > >
                > >Siegfried
                > >
                > >
                > >On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried
                > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                > >
                > >>Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot
                > >>get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia)
                > >>that have prided themselves at havin unique
                > >>interesting shoots at events. And keeping
                > >>"stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.
                > >>
                > >>Siegfried
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait
                > >>< arwemakere@...> wrote:
                > >>
                > >>>One question:
                > >>>
                > >>>"To be official, the competition must be shot
                > >>>at an event listed on the Calendar of the
                > >>>kingdom in which it will be held. Unlike
                > >>>Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be
                > >>>shot at practices or unofficial gatherings
                > >>>even if enough participants are present. This
                > >>>rule has been added to assure the maximum
                > >>>number of participants the opportunity to compete."
                > >>>
                > >>>Huh? This would actually reduce the number of
                > >>>possible competitors. We have a number of
                > >>>archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per
                > >>>year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't
                > >>>get me wrong, I support having "At events
                > >>>only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.
                > >>>
                > >>>William Arwemakere
                > >>>
                > >>>On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette
                > >>>< pickette@...> wrote:
                > >>>
                > >>>
                > >>>Dear Gladius -
                > >>>This is a great help to those who wish GOA and
                > >>>related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?
                > >>>
                > >>>JoO
                > >>>Calontir
                > >>>
                > >>>
              • Siegfried
                Ahh. You miss my point Gladius. It s not that someone would actively seek out driving to shoot it again. It s that if multiple events are having the same
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                  Ahh. You miss my point Gladius. 

                  It's not that someone would actively seek out driving to shoot it again. 

                  It's that if multiple events are having the same shoot. Then archers as they go alo their normal event to event schedule ... Will find themselves at the same shoot again. 

                  (Which in turn could discourage event attendance.)

                  On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:09 PM, James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:

                  Siegfried,
                  >
                  Jonathas is 100% correct.  He neglected to add that people would not have to drive 3 hours to shoot the same thing they shot last weekend.  Their score would already be on record. 
                  >
                  There is something I neglected to mention when I first posted this.  What I posted are not just the rules.  In addition to the rules are notes as to why each rule is thought to be necessary along with examples of what the rule allows.  Once the web site is created, you will see only the actual rules.  For notes, explanations, and examples there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
                  >
                  Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                  >
                  >
                  > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
                   

                  Siegfried,

                  That was added so that in locations that do not draw many archers it would be possible to hold the same shoot at several events such that the combined total of archers would be enough.  We are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of our archery events have enough archers to qualify.

                  Jonathas
                  On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried" <siegfried@... > wrote:
                   

                  Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.

                  Primarily I meant the nature that this is still standardized in the nature of "create a shoot that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique ones that are encouraged in our area.

                  As people are not typically excited to drive 3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.

                  :-)

                  Siegfried


                  On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried <siegfried@... > wrote:

                  Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia) that have prided themselves at havin unique interesting shoots at events. And keeping "stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.

                  Siegfried


                  On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait <arwemakere@...> wrote:

                  One question:

                  "To be official, the competition must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete."

                  Huh? This would actually reduce the number of possible competitors. We have a number of archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't get me wrong, I support having "At events only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.

                  William Arwemakere

                  On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette <pickette@... > wrote:
                   

                  Dear Gladius -
                  This is a great help to those who wish GOA and related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?

                  JoO
                  Calontir


                  ---- James Koch alchem@...> wrote:
                  > Gentlemen & Ladies,
                  > >
                  > From time to time over the years a discussion
                  > starts on this forum regarding the creation of a
                  > new type of tournament to augment the Royal
                  > Round, IKAC & etc... Many people do not believe
                  > that the existing standardized competitions give
                  > a well rounded view of the skill of many
                  > archers. Some people expressed the need for a
                  > way of recording and comparing the standings of
                  > competitors in large tournament shot at SCA
                  > events. More recently we had the discussion
                  > pertaining to finding and recognizing the top
                  > archers in the SCA. This was engendered by the
                  > news that the BOD was considering the possibility
                  > of new martial Peerages in addition to
                  > Knighthoods for armored combatants. The idea was
                  > suggested that we need something in the archery
                  > community similar to the crown tournaments of the armored combatants.
                  > A number of us realized that the task of
                  > designing such a tournament could not be
                  > accomplished in a large public forum. We
                  > therefore formed a small group to hash out how
                  > such a non standardized tournament could be run,
                  > scored, what rules would be required, and how the
                  > scores could be tabulated, recorded, and displayed.
                  > Late last Summer a Grand Archery Tournament was
                  > held in the Middle Kingdom according to these
                  > rules as a test. As a result of the test
                  > tournament, the rules were modified and
                  > improved. Additionally a spread sheet was
                  > created to automatically calculate the percentile
                  > rankings once the raw scores were entered.
                  > We believe the proposed rules are now ready for
                  > public comment prior to creating the scores
                  > page. These follow. We welcome your feedback.
                  > >
                  > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                  > >
                  > >
                  > Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official
                  > page! The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for
                  > short, is a system that allows all the archers in
                  > the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments
                  > and compare their performance to archers
                  > elsewhere in the SCA. Many archers shoot Royal
                  > Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized
                  > competitions where the target type, ranges, and
                  > number of ends are the same whenever shot. A
                  > means needed to be devised to record scores and
                  > compare archer’s resulting standings in
                  > non-standardized tournaments as shot at most
                  > large events where archery is included. The GAT
                  > is an attempt to address this need.
                  >
                  > The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow
                  > scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to
                  > be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to
                  > be calculated based on their performance relative
                  > to the other shooters. For the sake of fairness
                  > at this time the GAT is divided into only two
                  > simple divisions, one for hand bows, and one for
                  > crossbows. A Grand Archery Tournament consists
                  > of one or many shoots, each with a numeric
                  > score. Once the shoots have been completed, all
                  > of the participant’s scores are submitted to the
                  > Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the
                  > resulting standing of each shooter relative to
                  > the other competitors. The winner of the
                  > tournament will be assigned a standing of 100,
                  > while the others will have standings calculated
                  > as a percentage of the winner’s score.
                  >
                  > The formula for calculating standings is as follows.
                  > Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
                  > In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in
                  > numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and
                  > 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0.
                  >
                  > The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division”
                  > (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “sum of all
                  > standings”, “tournament place and date, and
                  > standing” are then recorded. A record is posted
                  > to the GAT scores page. Only participants who
                  > have shot at least one tournament with a standing
                  > of 50 or higher will have their record
                  > automatically posted to the scores page. This
                  > cut off is necessary due to space and other
                  > limitations too numerous to list here. If you
                  > have shot one or more GATS and none of your
                  > standings have reached the 50% or above
                  > threshold, you may contact the keeper of the
                  > scores and request that a record be displayed
                  > showing your standings down to whatever limit you
                  > deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.
                  >
                  > In the above example where eight crossbow
                  > shooters participated, only the individuals who
                  > earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records
                  > automatically added to the scores page, if they
                  > did not already have a previous record
                  > posted. If one of the shooters with a score of
                  > 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted,
                  > with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered”
                  > would be increased to 2 and his “sum of all
                  > standings” would total 60 + 48 = 108.
                  >
                  > If you have any questions, comments, or
                  > criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
                  >
                  > Marshal Accounts
                  > If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an
                  > account, and would be willing to submit your
                  > scores via the site, please send me an email with
                  > "Account Request" as the subject. The email must
                  > include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home
                  > Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which
                  > are submitted via the site will be given priority
                  > for getting approved and included in the official standings.
                  >
                  > Grand Archery Tournament “GAT” Format and Requirements
                  > Any archery competition can be designated a
                  > GAT. However, if the resulting standings are to
                  > be calculated and posted to the official GAT
                  > scores page, the following criteria must be met.
                  >
                  > A minimum of 20 hand bow and/or 6 crossbow
                  > competitors must enter the GAT to assure the
                  > presence of a range of skill levels among the
                  > shooters. If too few competitors enter, the
                  > scores for that division will not be valid and
                  > will not be calculated and posted to the official
                  > GAT scores page. The GAT is intended as an
                  > advanced tournament and as such does not AT THIS
                  > TIME offer a youth division. However, all
                  > archers are welcome to compete regardless of age
                  > and ability. What if you don’t have enough
                  > people to hold a GAT in your area? 1) Train more
                  > archers. 2) Invite skilled competitors from
                  > surrounding kingdoms. 3) Design a competition
                  > made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot
                  > at several events in several locations. So long
                  > as the locations provide similar conditions, the
                  > standings can be accurately calculated. As an
                  > example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in
                  > your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can
                  > be set up at two or three events that all six
                  > crossbow shooters can attend. This could simply
                  > consist of a Royal Round or a RR and one or more
                  > novelty shoots. Announce on your kingdom
                  > calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and
                  > Z events. Once the shoots are complete, submit
                  > the individual RR scores to your kingdom
                  > scorekeeper, and submit the combined RR and any
                  > novelty shoot scores to the Keeper Of The
                  > GAT. Of the 6 scores submitted, the top 2 or 3
                  > shooters will have their standings posted to the GAT scores page.
                  >
                  > To be official, the competition must be shot at
                  > an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in
                  > which it will be held. Unlike Royal Round and
                  > IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at practices or
                  > unofficial gatherings even if enough participants
                  > are present. This rule has been added to assure
                  > the maximum number of participants the
                  > opportunity to compete. So long as you can get
                  > enough people to compete to meet the minimum
                  > number requirements, your kingdom can host as
                  > many GATs per year as you wish. Ideally a large
                  > kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough
                  > apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.
                  > Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom
                  > according to your archery rules may be used in a
                  > GAT. Each GAT consists of two Divisions: Open
                  > Handbow, including period and modern equipment,
                  > and Open Crossbow, also including period and
                  > modern equipment. Any shoot with a numeric score can be included in a GAT.
                  >
                  > Certain basic information must be recorded and
                  > provided to the scorekeeper. This information
                  > must include The date or dates of the shoot, the
                  > place or places where the shoot was held,
                  > consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the
                  > participants, their home groups, their home
                  > kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their
                  > numeric score. Ties do not present a
                  > problem. If a participant was unable to complete
                  > the shoot for some reason, the partial score will
                  > be provided. If no partial score is provided, a
                  > score of zero will be assigned. Only the top 50%
                  > of submitted scores will be calculated and posted
                  > to the GAT standings page. So non-completion of
                  > a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will
                  > not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.
                  >
                  > To ease and assist submitting the scores, a
                  > scores entry page has been created. Data may be
                  > entered in any order. The resulting standings
                  > will be posted to the official page within two weeks.

                • James Koch
                  Edmund, ... This is something we considered, but didn t address since we figured it is unlikely to happen in most cases. My personal take is, how such a
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                    Edmund,
                    >
                    This is something we considered, but didn't address since we figured it is unlikely to happen in most cases.  My personal take is, how such a situation would be handled ought to be entirely up to the people who designed the shoot.  You could allow the person to shoot the tournament again, but submit only the original score.  You could submit the average, you could submit the highest score.  It is really up to the individuals designing the actual shoot to come up with rules which are both fair and allow for the greatest possible number of people to compete. 
                    >
                    Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                    >
                    >
                    >. At 09:41 AM 1/6/2013, you wrote:
                     

                    I love this idea, but I did have a question about the "multiple events" rule. My corner of Gleann Abhann is one such area where this rule would allow us to participate where otherwise we could not, but what happens if/when a shooter attends the second event with the GAT qualifying shoots?

                    Do the shooter's first score(s) stand, or their best score(s)? Can they mix and match scores from the two events to form a "composite" of sorts?

                    I'm not advocating one way or another, I simply know that this is a question that will eventually come up, and we as marshals need to know.

                    -Edmund of Penyngton
                    Live Weapons Marshal, Gleann Abhann
                    Baronial Yeoman of Small Gray Bear

                    --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, James Koch wrote:
                    >
                    > Siegfried,
                    > >
                    > Jonathas is 100% correct. He neglected to add
                    > that people would not have to drive 3 hours to
                    > shoot the same thing they shot last
                    > weekend. Their score would already be on record.
                    > >
                    > There is something I neglected to mention when I
                    > first posted this. What I posted are not just
                    > the rules. In addition to the rules are notes as
                    > to why each rule is thought to be necessary along
                    > with examples of what the rule allows. Once the
                    > web site is created, you will see only the actual
                    > rules. For notes, explanations, and examples
                    > there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
                    > >
                    > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >Siegfried,
                    > >
                    > >That was added so that in locations that do not
                    > >draw many archers it would be possible to hold
                    > >the same shoot at several events such that the
                    > >combined total of archers would be enough. We
                    > >are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of
                    > >our archery events have enough archers to qualify.
                    > >
                    > >Jonathas
                    > >On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried"
                    > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been
                    > >confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.
                    > >
                    > >Primarily I meant the nature that this is still
                    > >standardized in the nature of "create a shoot
                    > >that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which
                    > >encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique
                    > >ones that are encouraged in our area.
                    > >
                    > >As people are not typically excited to drive
                    > >3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.
                    > >
                    > >:-)
                    > >
                    > >Siegfried
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried
                    > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >>Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot
                    > >>get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia)
                    > >>that have prided themselves at havin unique
                    > >>interesting shoots at events. And keeping
                    > >>"stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.
                    > >>
                    > >>Siegfried
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait
                    > >>< arwemakere@...> wrote:
                    > >>
                    > >>>One question:
                    > >>>
                    > >>>"To be official, the competition must be shot
                    > >>>at an event listed on the Calendar of the
                    > >>>kingdom in which it will be held. Unlike
                    > >>>Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be
                    > >>>shot at practices or unofficial gatherings
                    > >>>even if enough participants are present. This
                    > >>>rule has been added to assure the maximum
                    > >>>number of participants the opportunity to compete."
                    > >>>
                    > >>>Huh? This would actually reduce the number of
                    > >>>possible competitors. We have a number of
                    > >>>archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per
                    > >>>year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't
                    > >>>get me wrong, I support having "At events
                    > >>>only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.
                    > >>>
                    > >>>William Arwemakere
                    > >>>
                    > >>>On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette
                    > >>>< pickette@...> wrote:
                    > >>>
                    > >>>
                    > >>>Dear Gladius -
                    > >>>This is a great help to those who wish GOA and
                    > >>>related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?
                    > >>>
                    > >>>JoO
                    > >>>Calontir
                    > >>>
                    > >>>

                  • Bernal Schooley
                    Gladius, I m not sure if Edmund was asking about shooting multiple times in a multi-event shoot designed to get 20+ participants or if he was just talking
                    Message 9 of 29 , Jan 6, 2013
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                      Gladius, 

                      I'm not sure if Edmund was asking about shooting multiple times in a multi-event shoot designed to get 20+ participants or if he was just talking about shooting at multiple GAT events. In your examples you suggested that if an archer has multiple submitted scores they add together as the "sum of all standings" and the number of events would be noted as well. What I'm curious about is how scores are compared between individuals that participate in one, four and ten events. Do you have a system where the top four scores within the last year are summed for an official ranking or at least something similar?

                      --Richard de Scolay
                      Ayreton


                      On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM, James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:
                       

                      Edmund,
                      >
                      This is something we considered, but didn't address since we figured it is unlikely to happen in most cases.  My personal take is, how such a situation would be handled ought to be entirely up to the people who designed the shoot.  You could allow the person to shoot the tournament again, but submit only the original score.  You could submit the average, you could submit the highest score.  It is really up to the individuals designing the actual shoot to come up with rules which are both fair and allow for the greatest possible number of people to compete. 

                      >
                      Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                      >
                      >
                      >. At 09:41 AM 1/6/2013, you wrote:
                       

                      I love this idea, but I did have a question about the "multiple events" rule. My corner of Gleann Abhann is one such area where this rule would allow us to participate where otherwise we could not, but what happens if/when a shooter attends the second event with the GAT qualifying shoots?

                      Do the shooter's first score(s) stand, or their best score(s)? Can they mix and match scores from the two events to form a "composite" of sorts?

                      I'm not advocating one way or another, I simply know that this is a question that will eventually come up, and we as marshals need to know.

                      -Edmund of Penyngton
                      Live Weapons Marshal, Gleann Abhann
                      Baronial Yeoman of Small Gray Bear

                      --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, James Koch wrote:
                      >
                      > Siegfried,
                      > >
                      > Jonathas is 100% correct. He neglected to add
                      > that people would not have to drive 3 hours to
                      > shoot the same thing they shot last
                      > weekend. Their score would already be on record.
                      > >
                      > There is something I neglected to mention when I
                      > first posted this. What I posted are not just
                      > the rules. In addition to the rules are notes as
                      > to why each rule is thought to be necessary along
                      > with examples of what the rule allows. Once the
                      > web site is created, you will see only the actual
                      > rules. For notes, explanations, and examples
                      > there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
                      > >
                      > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >Siegfried,
                      > >
                      > >That was added so that in locations that do not
                      > >draw many archers it would be possible to hold
                      > >the same shoot at several events such that the
                      > >combined total of archers would be enough. We
                      > >are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of
                      > >our archery events have enough archers to qualify.
                      > >
                      > >Jonathas
                      > >On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried"
                      > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been
                      > >confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.
                      > >
                      > >Primarily I meant the nature that this is still
                      > >standardized in the nature of "create a shoot
                      > >that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which
                      > >encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique
                      > >ones that are encouraged in our area.
                      > >
                      > >As people are not typically excited to drive
                      > >3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.
                      > >
                      > >:-)
                      > >
                      > >Siegfried
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried
                      > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >>Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot
                      > >>get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia)
                      > >>that have prided themselves at havin unique
                      > >>interesting shoots at events. And keeping
                      > >>"stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.
                      > >>
                      > >>Siegfried
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait
                      > >>< arwemakere@...> wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >>>One question:
                      > >>>
                      > >>>"To be official, the competition must be shot
                      > >>>at an event listed on the Calendar of the
                      > >>>kingdom in which it will be held. Unlike
                      > >>>Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be
                      > >>>shot at practices or unofficial gatherings
                      > >>>even if enough participants are present. This
                      > >>>rule has been added to assure the maximum
                      > >>>number of participants the opportunity to compete."
                      > >>>
                      > >>>Huh? This would actually reduce the number of
                      > >>>possible competitors. We have a number of
                      > >>>archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per
                      > >>>year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't
                      > >>>get me wrong, I support having "At events
                      > >>>only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.
                      > >>>
                      > >>>William Arwemakere
                      > >>>
                      > >>>On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette
                      > >>>< pickette@...> wrote:
                      > >>>
                      > >>>
                      > >>>Dear Gladius -
                      > >>>This is a great help to those who wish GOA and
                      > >>>related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?
                      > >>>
                      > >>>JoO
                      > >>>Calontir
                      > >>>
                      > >>>


                    • James Koch
                      Richard, ... We went back and forth on this one. At this time we plan to list each relevant score shot. Basically anyone who finishes in the top half of a
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                        Richard,
                        >
                        We went back and forth on this one.  At this time we plan to list each relevant score shot.  Basically anyone who finishes in the top half of a GAT will have that score posted.  Initially people will have only one score posted, since this is so new.  Eventually, once people have shot in multiple GATs, they will have several scores behind their name.  There are a myriad number of "batting" averages we can come up with.  People can calculate those on their own.  If people start frequently using an average or a total, we can include it on the scores page.  We want this to be more like a crown tournament though than like a Royal Round.  In a crown tournament all that matters is who came in first, and to a lesser extent second, and how many times have they won. 
                        >
                        Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                        >
                        >
                        >   At 11:36 PM 1/6/2013, you wrote:
                         

                        Gladius,

                        I'm not sure if Edmund was asking about shooting multiple times in a multi-event shoot designed to get 20+ participants or if he was just talking about shooting at multiple GAT events. In your examples you suggested that if an archer has multiple submitted scores they add together as the "sum of all standings" and the number of events would be noted as well. What I'm curious about is how scores are compared between individuals that participate in one, four and ten events. Do you have a system where the top four scores within the last year are summed for an official ranking or at least something similar?

                        --Richard de Scolay
                        Ayreton


                        On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:44 PM, James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:
                         

                        Edmund,
                        >
                        This is something we considered, but didn't address since we figured it is unlikely to happen in most cases.  My personal take is, how such a situation would be handled ought to be entirely up to the people who designed the shoot.  You could allow the person to shoot the tournament again, but submit only the original score.  You could submit the average, you could submit the highest score.  It is really up to the individuals designing the actual shoot to come up with rules which are both fair and allow for the greatest possible number of people to compete. 
                        >
                        Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                        >
                        >
                        >. At 09:41 AM 1/6/2013, you wrote:
                         

                        I love this idea, but I did have a question about the "multiple events" rule. My corner of Gleann Abhann is one such area where this rule would allow us to participate where otherwise we could not, but what happens if/when a shooter attends the second event with the GAT qualifying shoots?

                        Do the shooter's first score(s) stand, or their best score(s)? Can they mix and match scores from the two events to form a "composite" of sorts?

                        I'm not advocating one way or another, I simply know that this is a question that will eventually come up, and we as marshals need to know.

                        -Edmund of Penyngton
                        Live Weapons Marshal, Gleann Abhann
                        Baronial Yeoman of Small Gray Bear

                        --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, James Koch wrote:
                        >
                        > Siegfried,
                        > >
                        > Jonathas is 100% correct. He neglected to add
                        > that people would not have to drive 3 hours to
                        > shoot the same thing they shot last
                        > weekend. Their score would already be on record.
                        > >
                        > There is something I neglected to mention when I
                        > first posted this. What I posted are not just
                        > the rules. In addition to the rules are notes as
                        > to why each rule is thought to be necessary along
                        > with examples of what the rule allows. Once the
                        > web site is created, you will see only the actual
                        > rules. For notes, explanations, and examples
                        > there will be hyperlinks to a FAQ page.
                        > >
                        > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > At 12:31 PM 1/5/2013, you wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >Siegfried,
                        > >
                        > >That was added so that in locations that do not
                        > >draw many archers it would be possible to hold
                        > >the same shoot at several events such that the
                        > >combined total of archers would be enough. We
                        > >are lucky in Atlantia that the vast majority of
                        > >our archery events have enough archers to qualify.
                        > >
                        > >Jonathas
                        > >On Jan 5, 2013 9:12 AM, "Siegfried"
                        > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >Allow me to clarify - as my words may have been
                        > >confusing since this is a "any shoot can qualify" thing.
                        > >
                        > >Primarily I meant the nature that this is still
                        > >standardized in the nature of "create a shoot
                        > >that can be run at 2-3 events" - Which
                        > >encourages identical shoots at events, vs unique
                        > >ones that are encouraged in our area.
                        > >
                        > >As people are not typically excited to drive
                        > >3hrs just to shoot the same thing they did last weekend.
                        > >
                        > >:-)
                        > >
                        > >Siegfried
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Siegfried
                        > >< siegfried@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >>Also it would probably guarantee that the shoot
                        > >>get little traction in areas (such as Atlantia)
                        > >>that have prided themselves at havin unique
                        > >>interesting shoots at events. And keeping
                        > >>"stock" shoots (RR, IKAC, Winter) primarily at practices.
                        > >>
                        > >>Siegfried
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Bill Tait
                        > >>< arwemakere@...> wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >>>One question:
                        > >>>
                        > >>>"To be official, the competition must be shot
                        > >>>at an event listed on the Calendar of the
                        > >>>kingdom in which it will be held. Unlike
                        > >>>Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be
                        > >>>shot at practices or unofficial gatherings
                        > >>>even if enough participants are present. This
                        > >>>rule has been added to assure the maximum
                        > >>>number of participants the opportunity to compete."
                        > >>>
                        > >>>Huh? This would actually reduce the number of
                        > >>>possible competitors. We have a number of
                        > >>>archers who only get to 2 or 3 events per
                        > >>>year, but can attend weekly practices. Don't
                        > >>>get me wrong, I support having "At events
                        > >>>only" shoots for ranking, it's just your statement doesn't make sense.
                        > >>>
                        > >>>William Arwemakere
                        > >>>
                        > >>>On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jim Pickette
                        > >>>< pickette@...> wrote:
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>Dear Gladius -
                        > >>>This is a great help to those who wish GOA and
                        > >>>related awards. How does it help the un-ranked ?
                        > >>>
                        > >>>JoO
                        > >>>Calontir
                        > >>>
                        > >>>

                      • James Koch
                        Gentlemen & Ladies, ... Sir Jon requested that I post the revised version of the proposed rules for the new Grand Archery Tournament. We have made a number of
                        Message 11 of 29 , Jan 15, 2013
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                          Gentlemen & Ladies,
                          >
                          Sir Jon requested that I post the revised version of the proposed rules for the new Grand Archery Tournament.  We have made a number of changes to address concerns expressed and for the sake of clarity.  Again, I am sorry for the layout.  Once these rules have been finalized and displayed on a web site, much of the information can be placed on hyperlinks for the sake of simplicity and brevity.  We look forward to your suggestions, and comments.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                                                 Welcome to the Grand Archery Tournament Official page!
                                                           PART ONE, BACKGROUND
                          The Grand Archery Tournament, GAT for short, is a system that allows all the archers in the Knowne World to compete in local tournaments and compare their performance to archers elsewhere in the SCA.  Many archers shoot Royal Rounds, IKACs, and similar standardized competitions where the target type, ranges, and number of ends are the same whenever shot.  A means needed to be devised to record scores and compare archer’s resulting standings in non-standardized tournaments as shot at most large events where archery is included.  The GAT is an attempt to address this need. 
                           
                          INTENT.  The intent of the GAT is therefore to allow scores obtained during non-standardized shoots to be recorded, and competitor’s final standings to be calculated based on their performance relative to the other shooters, and displayed for comparison. 
                           
                          ORGANIZATION.  For the sake of simplicity and fairness, at this time the GAT is divided into only two divisions, one for hand bows, and one for crossbows.  A Grand Archery Tournament consists of one or many shoots, each with a numeric score.  The GAT is meant to be an advanced tournament, but, all archers are welcome to compete regardless of age and ability.     
                           
                          SUBMISSIONS.  Once the shoots have been completed, all of the participant’s scores and other necessary information may be submitted by the responsible marshal to the Keeper Of The GAT who will calculate the resulting standing of each shooter relative to the other competitors.  The winner of the tournament will be assigned a standing of 100, while the others will have standings calculated as a percentage of the winner’s score.
                           
                          CALCULATION.  The formula the Keeper Of The GAT uses for calculating standings is as follows. 
                          Standing = ((Score – Lowest-score) / (Highest-score – Lowest-score)) * 100
                          In a GAT where eight crossbow shooters turned in numeric scores of 33, 29, 20, 20, 19, 13, 12, and 8, the resulting standings would be 100, 84, 48, 48, 44, 20, 16, and 0. 
                           
                          RESULTS.  The participant’s “name”, “kingdom”, “division” (bow type), “total GATs entered”, “tournament place and date, and standing” are then recorded.  A record is posted to the GAT standings web page.  Only participants who have shot at least one tournament with a standing of 50 or higher will have their record automatically posted to the scores page.  This cut off is necessary due to space and other limitations too numerous to list here.  If you have shot one or more GATS and none of your standings have reached the 50% or above threshold, you may contact the Keeper Of The GAT and request that a record be displayed showing your standings down to whatever limit you deem necessary, and your record will be added to the GAT standings page.  As scores accumulate, various other statistics may be added to the standings page.   
                          In the earlier example where eight crossbow shooters participated, only the individuals who earned standings of 100 and 84 would have records automatically added to the scores page, if they did not already have a previous record posted.  If one of the shooters with a score of 48 already had one earlier GAT tournament posted, with a standing of 60, his “total GATs entered” would be increased to 2.           
                              
                          QUESTIONS.  If you have any questions, comments, or criticisms, do not hesitate to write to me Joe The Scorekeeper.
                           
                          MARSHAL ACCOUNTS.  If you are a marshal, have not already gotten an account, and would be willing to submit your scores via the site, please send me an email with "Account Request" as the subject. The email must include your Mundane name, Scadian Name, Home Kingdom/Group, and Email address. Scores which are submitted via the site will be given priority for getting approved and included in the official standings.
                           
                                             PART TWO FORMAT AND REQUIREMENTS
                          Any archery competition can be designated a GAT.  However, if the resulting standings are to be calculated and posted to the official GAT scores page, the following criteria must be met.
                           
                          RULE 1.  In order for the keeper of the scores to be able to calculate valid standings, a minimum of 20 hand bow or 6 crossbow competitors must enter the tournament.  END OF RULE 1. 
                          REASON FOR RULE 1.  If too few competitors enter either division, the scores for that division will not be statistically valid and will not be calculated and posted to the official GAT scores page.  END OF REASON FOR RULE 1.
                          RULE 1 CONSIDERATIONS.  What if you don’t have enough people to hold a GAT in your area?  1) Train more archers.  2) Invite skilled competitors from surrounding kingdoms.  3) Design a competition made up of shoots that can be reproduced and shot at several events in several locations.  So long as the locations provide similar conditions, the standings can be accurately calculated.  As an example, if there are only 6 crossbow shooters in your entire kingdom, devise a tournament that can be set up at two or three events that all six crossbow shooters can attend.  Announce on your kingdom calendar that a GAT will be shot at the X, Y, and Z events.  Once the shoots are complete, submit the accumulated information to the Keeper Of The GAT.  END OF RULE 1 CONSIDERATIONS.    
                           

                          RULE 2.  To be official, the GAT must be shot at an event listed on the Calendar of the kingdom in which it will be held.  Unlike Royal Round and IKAC shoots, GATs may not be shot at unofficial gatherings even if enough participants are present.  END OF RULE 2.

                          REASON FOR RULE 2.  This rule has been added to assure the maximum number of participants the opportunity to compete.  END OF REASON FOR RULE 2. 

                          RULE 2 CONSIDERATIONS.  A kingdom can host many GATs per year.  Ideally a large kingdom ought to host multiple GATs far enough apart to allow everyone a chance to submit a score.  If your local weekly practice attracts the required number of participants to qualify as a GAT, simply announce it as such on your kingdom’s calendar. END OF RULE 2 CONSIDERATIONS.

                          RULE 3.  Equipment that is allowed in your kingdom according to your archery rules may be used to shoot a GAT.  Equipment that is not allowed in your kingdom according to your archery rules may not be used to shoot a GAT.  END OF RULE 3.
                           
                          RULE 4.  Certain basic information must be recorded and provided to the Keeper Of The GAT by the responsible marshal.  This is to include The date or dates of the shoot, the place or places where the shoot was held, consisting of kingdom and group, the names of the participants, their home groups, their home kingdoms, their division (bow type), and their numeric score.  END OF RULE 4.
                          RULE 4 CONSIDERATIONS.  Ties do not present a problem.  If a participant was unable to complete the shoot for some reason, the partial score will be provided.  If no partial score is provided, a score of zero will be assigned.  Only the top 50% of submitted scores will be calculated and posted to the GAT standings page.  So non-completion of a GAT due to illness or an equipment failure will not adversely affect an individuals posted standing.  END OF RULE 4 CONSIDERATIONS.
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                          Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
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