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    I have read a lot of these post. So I would only one thought. What is witty and funny to you may only be so to you. Take into concideration, not every may
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      I have read a lot of these post. So I would only one thought. What is witty and funny to you may only be so to you. Take into concideration, not every may enjoy your type of humor.Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4G LTE


      -----Original Message-----
      From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: 8/9/2012 1:34:41 PM
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Digest Number 3988
      Discussion of pre-1600 target archery

      4 New Messages

      Digest #3988
      1a
      Re: This is Play Time by "Jim Pickette" pickettej
      1b
      Re: This is Play Time by "Doug Copley" vincenti_da_murano
      1c
      Re: This is Play Time by "edmund_penyngton" edmund_penyngton
      1d
      Re: This is Play Time by "The Greys" houseofgrey

      Messages

      Wed Aug 8, 2012 9:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "Jim Pickette" pickettej

      For myself, I plan to follow the guidance in the SCA Handbook and the Calontir Missile Weapons Handbook, p 33:

      "15. Archery is fun, and often a more relaxed sport than any other. Social interaction is a big part of SCA archery and welcome on the range. But remember, do not distract those on the shooting line. It is dangerous and will be strictly forbidden."

      James of Odo, Fidelibus
      AMIT, Calontir

      ---- edmund_penyngton <foxflame04@gmail. com> wrote:
      > On the other side of that though, you have those for whom the "wit" and informal atmosphere on the line actually *enhance* their experience. Frankly, if the first SCA archery event I had participated in had been all business, no joking or "wit" on the line
      I probably wouldn't have come back.
      >
      > Now, I'm in no way saying that "joking and wit" are always appropriate. Safety is always the number one concern, and competitions must be fair for all competitors. But rather than call for total silence on the line, I believe a responsible LWM should be mindful
      of how the "wit", how it is intended, and how it affects each individual shooter. If shooters spend as much time talking as they do shooting, or if you get someone who is heckling another shooter for the purpose of throwing him off, or a particular shooter seems to be taking such comments to heart, then it's the LWMs responsibility to correct that (most likely by calling for silence on the line).
      >
      > And as was mentioned earlier, there's a difference between practices and small events, and the Kingdom Yeoman Tournament. The mood should vary with the situation, obviously. The presence of Royals would likewise call for more decorum.
      >
      > But overall, a little good-natured teasing and "wit" have always been a part of the Archery experience for me. As long as it isn't taken too far, it is to be expected.
      >
      > Edmund of Penyngton
      > Kingdom of Gleann Abhann
      > Shire Coill Fhionabhann
      >
      > --- In SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon@ ...> wrote:
      > >
      > > greetings
      > >
      > > to a great extent , it works that way without changing anything.
      > > everything on the line is the marshal in charges responsibility.
      > > some marshals see teasing , cat calls, wit , etc as a distraction, and don't allow it on their line while people are shooting .
      > > some marshals see it as a test of concentration , and don't see it as a distraction , and do allow it on their line at all times.
      > >
      > > truth of the matter is that it IS a distraction, period .
      > >
      > > but, some archers will be more distracted than others ,
      > > for many reasons, to name a few....
      > > some due to weather conditions
      > > some due to length of time standing / walking in the weather conditions
      > > some due to the length of the tourney itself .
      > > some due to stress of not wanting their peers to think they are stick in the muds, ( it's all in fun right ? )
      > > some due to mundane issues, they haven't relaxed enough before the heckling starts at the event )
      > > some due to the fact that they perceive the " wit " , heckling , what ever you choose to call it as a direct attempt to break their concentration and make them shoot poorly ,
      > > and thus look bad / kill their attempts to get that next level in the royal rounds, etc. ( in other words , it seems they are being ganged up on )
      > > some will learn to adjust, and shoot well despite the distractions.
      > > others will become fringe shooters , that never really try to win , or increase their scores.
      > > others will just find other activities to participate in , or other groups ( non- sca ) to spend their time and money on ......
      > >
      > > but like I said , the m.i.c. for every practice , shoot , and tourney , makes the choices that set the tone for the archers present .
      > > just remember just because " you " ( collective ) like the added stress doesn't mean that others will , and enjoying the time on the ranges is what brings distant archers back to your events / practices on a regular basis..
      > >
      > > just a few thoughts for the community to consider in this discussion ; )
      > >
      > > Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
      > > Arthur
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Joe Klovance
      > > To: sca-archery@ yahoogroups. com
      > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:17 PM
      > > Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] This is Play Time
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Perhaps that line should be amended to something like.
      > >
      > >
      > > 5. Keep distractions of the archers on the shooting line to a minimum unless such distractions are authorized by a unanimous vote of the line or the Martial in Charge.
      > >
      > > YIS,
      > > Gryffyd ap Llylewyn
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
      > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
      > > CC: lindarose.myers@ ...
      > > From: pickette@...
      > > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:03:00 -0500
      > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] This is Play Time
      > >
      > >
      > > Occassionally "wicked wit" fits well within the customs and courtesies of our Grand Society. I prefer to avoid such mundane wickedness as does not befit our Society.
      > >
      > > SCA Archery Handbook, Oct 2003, p. 10:
      > > "5. Keep distractions of the archers on the shooting line to a minimum."
      > >
      > > JoO
      > > MIT, Calontir
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      >
      >

      Wed Aug 8, 2012 9:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "Doug Copley" vincenti_da_murano

      We had a bard in our group and one day he started singing on the line
      and it bothered me at first and I was thinking "What the hell is this?"
      after a little while I got to where I enjoyed it and it had no impact on
      me. We also like to joke and laugh and tease each other. I have not see
      anyone try to use it to actually mess with someone to try to mess them
      up, just good natured ribbing and joking. We also compliment each other
      on good shots, good rounds, and good scores!

      It's great when it can be fun and laughing and still compete to try to
      be the best you can be.

      Vincenti

      On 8/8/2012 11:38 AM, Jim Pickette wrote:
      > For myself, I plan to follow the guidance in the SCA Handbook and the
      > Calontir Missile Weapons Handbook, p 33:
      >
      > "15. Archery is fun, and often a more relaxed sport than any other.
      > Social interaction is a big part of SCA archery and welcome on the
      > range. But remember, do not distract those on the shooting line. It is
      > dangerous and will be strictly forbidden."
      >
      > James of Odo, Fidelibus
      > AMIT, Calontir
      >

      Wed Aug 8, 2012 11:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "edmund_penyngton" edmund_penyngton

      There we go, that's exactly what I was trying to say, but in a better organized, more rulesey format... :P

      Talking, laughing, and cutting up are all part of the experience and the Dream, but as soon as it creates a hazard, or causes a distraction, it should cease immidiately.

      --- In SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com, Jim Pickette <pickette@.. .> wrote:
      >
      > For myself, I plan to follow the guidance in the SCA Handbook and the Calontir Missile Weapons Handbook, p 33:
      >
      > "15. Archery is fun, and often a more relaxed sport than any other. Social interaction is a big part of SCA archery and welcome on the range. But remember, do not distract those on the shooting line. It is dangerous and will be strictly forbidden."
      >
      >
      > James of Odo, Fidelibus
      > AMIT, Calontir
      >
      > ---- edmund_penyngton <foxflame04@ ...> wrote:
      > > On the other side of that though, you have those for whom the "wit" and informal atmosphere on the line actually *enhance* their experience. Frankly, if the first SCA archery event I had participated in had been all business, no joking or "wit" on the line I probably wouldn't have come back.
      > >
      > > Now, I'm in no way saying that "joking and wit" are always appropriate. Safety is always the number one concern, and competitions must be fair for all competitors. But rather than call for total silence on the line, I believe a responsible LWM should be mindful of how the "wit", how it is intended, and how it affects each individual shooter. If shooters spend as much time talking as they do shooting, or if you get someone who is heckling another shooter for the purpose of throwing him off, or a particular shooter seems to be taking such comments to heart, then it's the LWMs responsibility to correct that (most likely by calling for silence on the line).
      > >
      > > And as was mentioned earlier, there's a difference between practices and small events, and the Kingdom Yeoman Tournament. The mood should vary with the situation, obviously. The presence of Royals would likewise call for more decorum.
      > >
      > > But overall, a little good-natured teasing and "wit" have always been a part of the Archery experience for me. As long as it isn't taken too far, it is to be expected.
      > >
      > > Edmund of Penyngton
      > > Kingdom of Gleann Abhann
      > > Shire Coill Fhionabhann
      > >
      > > --- In SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon@ > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > greetings
      > > >
      > > > to a great extent , it works that way without changing anything.
      > > > everything on the line is the marshal in charges responsibility.
      > > > some marshals see teasing , cat calls, wit , etc as a distraction, and don't allow it on their line while people are shooting .
      > > > some marshals see it as a test of concentration , and don't see it as a distraction , and do allow it on their line at all times.
      > > >
      > > > truth of the matter is that it IS a distraction, period .
      > > >
      > > > but, some archers will be more distracted than others ,
      > > > for many reasons, to name a few....
      > > > some due to weather conditions
      > > > some due to length of time standing / walking in the weather conditions
      > > > some due to the length of the tourney itself .
      > > > some due to stress of not wanting their peers to think they are stick in the muds, ( it's all in fun right ? )
      > > > some due to mundane issues, they haven't relaxed enough before the heckling starts at the event )
      > > > some due to the fact that they perceive the " wit " , heckling , what ever you choose to call it as a direct attempt to break their concentration and make them shoot poorly ,
      > > > and thus look bad / kill their attempts to get that next level in the royal rounds, etc. ( in other words , it seems they are being ganged up on )
      > > > some will learn to adjust, and shoot well despite the distractions.
      > > > others will become fringe shooters , that never really try to win , or increase their scores.
      > > > others will just find other activities to participate in , or other groups ( non- sca ) to spend their time and money on ......
      > > >
      > > > but like I said , the m.i.c. for every practice , shoot , and tourney , makes the choices that set the tone for the archers present .
      > > > just remember just because " you " ( collective ) like the added stress doesn't mean that others will , and enjoying the time on the ranges is what brings distant archers back to your events / practices on a regular basis..
      > > >
      > > > just a few thoughts for the community to consider in this discussion ; )
      > > >
      > > > Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
      > > > Arthur
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: Joe Klovance
      > > > To: sca-archery@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:17 PM
      > > > Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] This is Play Time
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Perhaps that line should be amended to something like.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > 5. Keep distractions of the archers on the shooting line to a minimum unless such distractions are authorized by a unanimous vote of the line or the Martial in Charge.
      > > >
      > > > YIS,
      > > > Gryffyd ap Llylewyn
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
      > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > CC: lindarose.myers@
      > > > From: pickette@
      > > > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:03:00 -0500
      > > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] This is Play Time
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Occassionally "wicked wit" fits well within the customs and courtesies of our Grand Society. I prefer to avoid such mundane wickedness as does not befit our Society.
      > > >
      > > > SCA Archery Handbook, Oct 2003, p. 10:
      > > > "5. Keep distractions of the archers on the shooting line to a minimum."
      > > >
      > > > JoO
      > > > MIT, Calontir
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > No virus found in this message.
      > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
      > > > Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5166 - Release Date: 07/30/12
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      >

      Wed Aug 8, 2012 2:47 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

      "The Greys" houseofgrey

      In my area target archery has brought more people into the SCA than ANY other activity. I like to think it is for the following reasons:
      - We HAVE FUN!
      - We are inviting
      - A 90 pound lady/kid can out shoot a 300 pound guy
      - It's fun
      - To shoot well is a Zen like thing
      - The rewards are amazing - In this case it is little more than your fellow archers yelling "YEA!" when you finally hit the target or even the bull's eye.

      The SCA is a HOBBY. If we can't have fun in our hobby it becomes a job. Given the choice of being at a job or my hobby....... ..well I don't need to really answer that, do I?

      I do agree that when a serious championship, be that what it may, is on the line a degree of consideration is in order. No loud noises just as they are about release. No removing arrows from their quiver "just to be funny" during speed rounds. Etc., etc.

      In my area we have a lady who came to the SCA because of archery. When she started, like many of us, hitting the ground was a challenge! After only 4 years shooting she represented our kingdom, Atlantia, in a ladies only shoot and WON! How much better can it get! And, yes, she learned to shoot while the rest of us stood behind the line making somewhat scurrilous comments and joking about. I like to think that actually helped her concentrate more on her shoot. She is a damned fine archer now days and I am very proud to have helped her in a very small way along the path. All comments included! (I tend to do that a lot!)

      cog

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