Re: [SCA-Archery] Horse bow question
- So does An Tir. Expecting someone to shell out $1000+ for a real horn bow is not realistic. And using a real horn bow in An Tir, with our lovely dampness would be extremely challenging.Arion the WandererAn Tir Royal Archer
From: "Guy Taylor" <guy.taylor@...>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 11:35:44 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Horse bow questionCaid accepts bows made of modern materials in the Period devision so long as the materials do not provide an unfair advantage.
Period Division The purpose for the period division is to encourage archers to try to use archery gear that is modeled after those used before 1600. Both long bows and recurves (Mongolian, Japanese, etc) may be used. Modern materials (i.e. artificial sinew, fiber glass, etc.) may be used as
long as the use does not give an unfair advantage in performance over period materials. This decision is left to the Range Marshal in Charge of the event. Arrows must be self-nocked (footed, etc. No plastic nocks are allowed in the Period Division). The archer should be able to document the parts of their gear.
I do not see fiberglass as giving an unfair advantage over horn/sinew/and fish glue with the exception that you can shoot it in the rain and damp. By rejecting fiberglass in horsebows and requiring that they be made of period materials you have doomed many archers simply due to the humidity in which they live, not to mention the prohibitive cost of said bows.
From: Doug Copley <doug.copley@...>
Sent: Fri, August 3, 2012 11:21:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Horse bow question
A true period style Horse Bow IMO should be considered as period.
However, most Horse Bows that I have looked at are not true. They look
like one but they use fiberglass and modern materials so they are not a
period bow. This would be the same as taking one of the green straight
fiberglass long bows that can be used in Combat Archery and calling it a
period bow since it is the same style.
Very few of the Horse Bows out there are what I would consider Period
Kingdom of Ansteorra
On 8/3/2012 9:10 AM, The Greys wrote:
> It was mentioned in a post to this list that horse bows do not qualify
> for the primitive class in some kingdom. I would be interested in why
> that is so and which kingdom.
> As for horse bows, I have a Flagella Dei. I first saw the vendor at
> Pennsic and was interested at the time in horse bows. I told him what I
> liked and didn't like in a bow and he gave me two bows right off his
> rack and told me to go shoot them. The archery range this year was still
> at the top of Mount Eislin about a mile away. The vendor did NOT ask for
> a credit card nor any deposit so off I walked with about $1000 worth of
> bows! I figured this was a vendor I could work with. If he trusted me, I
> would trust his product. Since then Elk Ridge used to sell his bows but
> had some issues with them. Flagellas Dei and Elk Ridge stood behind the
> product and made it right but Elk Ridge decided, due to too many
> failures, it wasn't worth carrying the product. I've had no issues with
> mine and I've had it for some 6 years now.
> As for horse bows shooting nicely, yes they do and they are ambidextrous
> as well as not having an up or down. That is, if you have not put a
> nocking point on your string. There are interesting articles on the web
> about why a horse bow shoots like a bow of about 10 pound more draw
> weight than the bow being shot should act. What I find interesting is
> that the beloved ELB took about a month to make and a true horse bow
> took up to seven years to make in period.
- Gentlemen & Ladies,
>One of my crossbow customers just contacted me with a question I
can't properly answer. He is building a crossbow and wants to know
the minimum weight bolt he should use. He didn't specify a draw
weight. No doubt this will vary depending on the prod composition,
mass, and draw weight. I was wondering if there is such a formula,
and if so where I might find it.
>Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"