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  • Jim Pickette
    Message 1 of 1 , Jun 18, 2012
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      > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:34:18 -0500
      > From: Jim Pickette <pickette@...>
      > To: James Koch <alchem@...>
      > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Possibile poll
      >
      > M'Lord Jim -
      >
      > You pose at least a few questions. I will try:
      >
      > “Did not the grant level archers become grant level archers at
      > least in part because of skill as evidenced at least in part by their
      > scores?”
      >
      > Shooting scores are not, or should not be, the primary measure of any current or future GoA. Is a candidate with a score of 157 a better candidate than one with a 140?
      >
      > “My understanding from the outset was that we were to be
      > promoting recognition of missile combatants for martial skill. The
      > alternatives are service, already covered under OP, or A&S, already
      > covered under OL.”
      >
      > Ours must include service, and other skills beyond shooting.
      >
      > “I don't even know if there is a kingdom which does not have a higher
      > level award for archery, but if there is, how can we ascertain who
      > from there is roughly equivalent to grant level and near grant level
      > archers from other kingdoms?”
      >
      > Your question confuses me some. I don’t know either. Shooting scores should not be the primary method of choosing them.
      >
      > “This is not a matter of trying to be exclusive, this is a matter of trying to be fair and inclusive. If an individual has high SCA scores they are obviously proficient and even skilled with their weapon.”
      >
      > Good eyesight and shooting skill are not the primary issue or criteria we should look for. It should definitely not be the only criteria.
      >
      > JoO
      > Calontir
      >
      > ---- James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:
      > > JoO,
      > > >
      > > ????? Did not the grant level archers become grant level archers at
      > > least in part because of skill as evidenced at least in part by their
      > > scores? My understanding from the outset was that we were to be
      > > promoting recognition of missile combatants for martial skill. The
      > > alternatives are service, already covered under OP, or A&S, already
      > > covered under OL.
      > > >
      > > I don't even know if there is a kingdom which does not have a higher
      > > level award for archery, but if there is, how can we ascertain who
      > > from there is roughly equivalent to grant level and near grant level
      > > archers from other kingdoms? This is not a matter of trying to be
      > > exclusive, this is a matter of trying to be fair and inclusive. If
      > > an individual has high SCA scores they are obviously proficient and
      > > even skilled with their weapon. If they are also a marshal they are
      > > providing an essential service to the archery community.
      > > >
      > > My belief is if we form this fellowship, its first task ought to be
      > > to help kingdoms with small missile arts communities to grow, and if
      > > they lack them, to promote the creation of grant level and near grant
      > > level awards for those martial arts.
      > > >
      > > If you do not believe scores should be primary or secondary
      > > considerations, what do you suggest in their place?
      > > >
      > > Jim Koch "Gladius The ALchemist"
      > > >
      > > > At 06:53 PM 6/18/2012, you wrote:
      > > >Range scores are not, or should not, be the primary nor secondary
      > > >consideration for membership in this yet fictional group.
      > > >
      > > >JoO
      > > >Calontir
      > > >
      > > >---- James Koch <alchem@...> wrote:
      > > > > Master James,
      > > > > >
      > > > > I agree 100%. Where a kingdom does not have a
      > > > > grant level award for archery, members of the top
      > > > > level award ought to be substituted. If there is
      > > > > a kingdom with no archery awards above AOA, I'd
      > > > > go so far at to admit individuals who are
      > > > > marshals and who have RR/IKAC scores equal to or
      > > > > above the average (where available) for other
      > > > > members. This average can be easily determined.
      > > > > >
      > > > > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
      > > > > >
      > > > > > At 01:48 PM 6/18/2012, you wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >Greetings,
      > > > > >
      > > > > >I am fairly new to this list, but thought I
      > > > > >would loose a volley on this subject.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >In my tiny mind I would see membership to the
      > > > > >'household' as being restricted to those who
      > > > > >hold "kingdom level" archery recognition. Each
      > > > > >kingdom that signs on could determine themselves
      > > > > >what THAT meant. Especially if their particular
      > > > > >order does NOT come with a grant. Restricting it
      > > > > >to grants will cause issues for Kingdoms who do
      > > > > >not automatically confer a grant with their award.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >You could even extend that to a Principality recognition as
      > > > well, if desired.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >To repeat what someone else already said, I do
      > > > > >not think it should be every Tom, Dick, and Nigel who picks up a bow.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >Hopefully anything of major importance would be
      > > > > >passed down to mailing lists like THIS one where
      > > > > >the archery riff raff, like me, could add our tuppence.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >Master James Llewellyn ap Gruffydd, OP
      > > > > >Principality of Tir Righ, An Tir
      > > > > >
      > >
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