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Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: The Fourth Peerage, Or What Is An Apple?

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  • James Koch
    Gentlemen & Ladies, ... What is a master archer? I d like to hear from as many people on this list as possible. Who do you admire, rely upon, and turn to
    Message 1 of 127 , Mar 9, 2012
      Gentlemen & Ladies,
      What is a master archer? I'd like to hear from as many people on
      this list as possible. Who do you admire, rely upon, and turn to
      for advice and help? You don't have to name names. What qualities
      do these individuals have that set them apart? I don't expect a
      master archer to do everything, but they have to do several things
      well and be exceptional at something.
      I'd say a master archer ought to posses several of the following attributes.
      1) Be expert in the use of a hand bow or crossbow or very good in
      both as evidenced my tournament wins and ranking scores. I can
      provide examples of people who are already experts in both weapon
      types. Be good in a less common or off range weapon like combat
      archery, horse archery, bow hunting, bow fishing, blowgun, sling & etc.
      2) Contribute to the existence of archery by marshaling, setting up
      ranges, organizing events with archery, providing competitions and prizes.
      3) Promote archery by providing loaner equipment, organizing and
      announcing practices, providing practice ranges, targets and butts,
      and training to less experienced shooters.
      4) Make equipment such as shafts, fletch, points, nocks, complete
      arrows and bolts, bows, crossbows, and leather equipment, costumes
      and accessories.
      5) Research SCA period archery and teach what you learn. This
      includes looking the part. People may call me a period Nazi, but the
      White Scarves in rapier combat are REQUIRED to look good. An
      "attempt at" is fine for a beginner, but a master has to do better.
      So, what have I missed?
      Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
    • otlcp1@cablelynx.com
      I also would not like to see the number set so high as here in glean abhann i think it would be truly hard to get that number of archers at one event...its
      Message 127 of 127 , May 9, 2012
        I also would not like to see the number set so high as here in glean
        abhann i think it would be truly hard to get that number of archers at one
        event...its hard enough to get people at weekly practices consistently
        much less 30 people for an event shoot. possibly twenty archers at most.
        > Gladius
        > I was just going with your top five. I would rather see top ten, if
        > possible.
        > The maximum number would be up to Baron Jonathas.
        > Crossbows.... In some kingdoms it might be hard to come up with ten
        > crossbows or
        > even five at an event. In the West there are only two archers that usually
        > shoot
        > target crossbows. And I think Caid also has only a very few target
        > crossbows as
        > well. Target crossbows are not common out here. Just combat archery
        > crossbows.
        > Based on my knowledge of the number of target archers in the West, it
        > would be
        > hard to come up with a minimum of 40 at most in-kingdom events. It would
        > be most
        > difficult for our archers in Oretha (Alaska) to field that many at an
        > event up
        > there. It could be done at Antir/West War and Greatern Western War for
        > handbows.
        > I understand the need for a minimum number for a base to award points. Is
        > there
        > any way to work around this?
        > Is there a way to work the mail-in competitions into this?
        > Jon
        > ________________________________
        > From: James Koch <alchem@...>
        > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:58:10 PM
        > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Masters Shoot. Was: The Fourth Peerage
        > Jon,
        > I'll defer to you in these matters. If you think the top five will do, we
        > can
        > go with the top five. That will be easier on the keeper of the scores.
        > I talked to Merlin today and he said 30 participants minimum for a "GAT".
        > I was
        > thinking 25 or 30 initially. If we get large turnouts we can always up
        > the
        > minimum at a later date. There is a problem. We also need a minimum for
        > the
        > crossbows since they will be scored separately. 30 handbows and or 10
        > crossbows? That would make 40 participants total for a GAT including both
        > handbows and crossbows. What are people's thoughts on this?
        > Once we decide what minimums we'll use, I'll contact Baron Jonathas and
        > we'll
        > discuss the format for the scores page. He will have to maintain the
        > scores, so
        > he'll have the final say on what gets posted and in what format.
        > Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
        >> At 11:49 AM 5/9/2012, you wrote:
        >>Archery competitions at existing inter-kingdom wars should qualify as
        >> GATs. (I
        >>do prefer the term "Schutzenfests", or Shooting Festivals. However, most
        >> people,
        >>even archers, would not know what that was.) For war competitions no
        >> special
        >>tournament needs to be set up, whatever is being shot becomes the GAT and
        >> the
        >>top five scores are sent to the SCA scores site. Any kingdom that has a
        >> large
        >>competition could submit the top five scores as GAT scores. This could
        >>encourage archers to shoot in more competitions. And this might encourage
        >>kingdoms to set up more major archery competitions because their archers
        >> would
        >>want a chance to submit more scores. This could work because no special
        >> GAT
        >>needs to be created and run, a tournment only needs the required minimum
        >> number
        >>of archers.
        >>Perhaps even the mail-in competitions such as: IKAC. RR. Winter
        >> Challenge. SSAC.
        >>etc could be used as well, with the scores from the top five archers in
        >> each
        >>kingdom submitted.
        >>Baron Jonathas should be contacted about the possibility of setting up a
        >> page
        >>for this on the SCA scores site.
        >>From: James Koch <alchem@...>
        >>To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        >>Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 11:15:05 PM
        >>Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Masters Shoot. Was: The Fourth Peerage
        >>Gentlemen & Ladies,
        >>Sir Jon and others have made good points
        >>regarding the problems we'll likely encounter
        >>with any suggestion of an archery peerage or
        >>pre-peerage at this time. So, no Masters of any
        >>sort and no White Hats. In any case, discussing
        >>a possible future peerage is putting the cart
        >>before the horse. For the time being we ought to
        >>limit our discussion to the proposed new
        >>tournaments themselves. We can go back to
        >>considering a possible future 4th Peerage once we
        >>have the tools necessary to choose members.
        >>I personally like the idea of calling the
        >>competitions "Grand Tournaments Of Archery",
        >>Grand Archery Tournaments "GATs"", or
        >>"Schutzenfests". Merlin and I shall sponsor one
        >>here in the Midrealm in the Northern Oaken
        >>(Northeastern) region. Perhaps as soon as this
        >>Fall. These names do not in any way imply that
        >>these tournaments are being used as one of
        >>several criteria for eventually selecting
        >>(whatever we eventually decide to call them
        >>(Schützenkönig?)). Each kingdom can use a
        >>standard name for their tournaments or create their own.
        >>For a tournament to be considered a "Grand
        >>Tournament" it has to meet at least one simple
        >>standard. It has to field a certain minimum number of competitors.
        >>This evening I had a stroke of genius. Suppose
        >>for the sake of argument we initially set the
        >>minimum number of Grand Tournament competitors at
        >>25. Now suppose we consider an imaginary
        >>tournament in which 30 people actually
        >>participate. This means we have a first place
        >>winner who beat 29 others. That individual has a
        >>placing of 1 and a score of 29. The second place
        >>competitor has a placing of 2 and a score of
        >>28. And so on and so forth down to the fifth
        >>place competitor who has a placing of 5 and a
        >>score of 25. These scores will be submitted to
        >>the Keeper Of The Scores for posting on the web
        >>site. For the sake of simplicity we won't record
        >>scores of 25 or less. So each person who
        >>competes in a Grand Tournament and scores above
        >>the minimum we have set will have a ranking and a
        >>posted score. Over time as more scores are
        >>submitted, the web site can display the scores
        >>and compute the ranks in a variety of ways. We
        >>can display a competitor's running average rank,
        >>most recent three tournament placing rank,
        >>running total score, recent score, recent average
        >>score, total number of tournaments recorded, & etc.....
        >>Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"

        Kirby Campbell
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