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RE: [SCA-Archery] Re: The Fourth Peerage Apples Versus Oranges?

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  • Mark Cipra
    Well, let us agree to disagree on this issue. Llywelyn Glyndyverdwy (Mark Cipra) __ When in doubt, end with a jig - Robin McCauley From:
    Message 1 of 224 , Mar 9, 2012
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      Well, let us agree to disagree on this issue.

       

      Llywelyn Glyndyverdwy (Mark Cipra)

      __

      "When in doubt, end with a jig" - Robin McCauley

       

       

      From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Oblio of Abertwidr
      Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:37 PM
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: The Fourth Peerage Apples Versus Oranges?

       

       

      On 09/03/2012, Mark Cipra <cipram@...> wrote:

      > My dear Oblio:
      >
      >
      >
      > I realize you are a heretic, but does that heresy extend to the belief that
      > *every* representative form of government is inherently anti-democratic? Of
      > course this is true, but only by the very narrowest definition of democracy.
      > Even *within* the small elected council of my small city there are
      > committees to hash out the details of legislation. There may be some pure
      > democracies out there, but the reason we don't know anything about them is
      > that they are completely ineffective.
      >
      >
      >
      > Whether or not a committee for a cross-border archery GOA agreement is
      > *inherently* democratic will depend on its charter. I hope that charter
      > includes provisions for frequent reporting back to (and soliciting opinion
      > from) the archery community at large.
      >

      The word "heretic" means a person who chooses for himself/herself,.

      As (only one of many) an example, at
      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heretic , is

      "
      Origin:
      1300–50; Middle English heretik < Middle French heretique < Late Latin
      haereticus < Greek hairetikós able to choose (Late Greek: heretical),
      equivalent to hairet(ós) that may be taken (verbal adjective of
      haireîn to choose) + -ikos -ic
      "

      I think it unfortunate to have a closed mind;

      "
      There may be some pure
      > democracies out there, but the reason we don't know anything about them is
      > that they are completely ineffective.
      "

      So, what do you know of participatory budgeting, such as implemented
      at the town/city of Scarborough, where the people determine on which
      projects, council funds are budgeted to be spent? Just because you may
      not be aware of it, does not mean it does not work. I was not aware of
      it, until I saw a television documentary about it.

      Many people in the world, are not aware of electricity. Does that mean
      that it does not work?

      Many people in the world, are probably unaware of photovoltaic
      electricity generation, that could probably be of great assistance to
      them, Does that mean that photovoltaic electricity generation is of no
      benefit, simply because some people are unaware of it?

      Many people in the world, are probably unaware of archery, or, of
      archery as an activity that exists; does that mean that archery is not
      an activity worth doing?

      Many (possibly most) of the archers "in the knowned worlde" are
      probably not aware of this mailing list (I only found out about it,
      through my own efforts, and, I think, thence, by accident) - does that
      mean that this list is of no benefit?

      Just because a person may be unaware of something, does not mean that
      that thing of which the person is unaware, is of no benefit.

      Hence, a difference between bigotry and heresy; the first, being the
      refusal to accept opinions different to the opinions of the bigot,
      and, the second, whee the person chooses for himself/herself, and,
      employs the freedom to choose.

      --
      Oblio the Unregistered,
      Heretic of Abertwidr
      of the Western Shores
      In the Kingdom of Lochac

      Per fructu, non folii
      ................................

    • Mark Cipra
      Well, let us agree to disagree on this issue. Llywelyn Glyndyverdwy (Mark Cipra) __ When in doubt, end with a jig - Robin McCauley From:
      Message 224 of 224 , Mar 9, 2012
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        Well, let us agree to disagree on this issue.

         

        Llywelyn Glyndyverdwy (Mark Cipra)

        __

        "When in doubt, end with a jig" - Robin McCauley

         

         

        From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Oblio of Abertwidr
        Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:37 PM
        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: The Fourth Peerage Apples Versus Oranges?

         

         

        On 09/03/2012, Mark Cipra <cipram@...> wrote:

        > My dear Oblio:
        >
        >
        >
        > I realize you are a heretic, but does that heresy extend to the belief that
        > *every* representative form of government is inherently anti-democratic? Of
        > course this is true, but only by the very narrowest definition of democracy.
        > Even *within* the small elected council of my small city there are
        > committees to hash out the details of legislation. There may be some pure
        > democracies out there, but the reason we don't know anything about them is
        > that they are completely ineffective.
        >
        >
        >
        > Whether or not a committee for a cross-border archery GOA agreement is
        > *inherently* democratic will depend on its charter. I hope that charter
        > includes provisions for frequent reporting back to (and soliciting opinion
        > from) the archery community at large.
        >

        The word "heretic" means a person who chooses for himself/herself,.

        As (only one of many) an example, at
        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heretic , is

        "
        Origin:
        1300–50; Middle English heretik < Middle French heretique < Late Latin
        haereticus < Greek hairetikós able to choose (Late Greek: heretical),
        equivalent to hairet(ós) that may be taken (verbal adjective of
        haireîn to choose) + -ikos -ic
        "

        I think it unfortunate to have a closed mind;

        "
        There may be some pure
        > democracies out there, but the reason we don't know anything about them is
        > that they are completely ineffective.
        "

        So, what do you know of participatory budgeting, such as implemented
        at the town/city of Scarborough, where the people determine on which
        projects, council funds are budgeted to be spent? Just because you may
        not be aware of it, does not mean it does not work. I was not aware of
        it, until I saw a television documentary about it.

        Many people in the world, are not aware of electricity. Does that mean
        that it does not work?

        Many people in the world, are probably unaware of photovoltaic
        electricity generation, that could probably be of great assistance to
        them, Does that mean that photovoltaic electricity generation is of no
        benefit, simply because some people are unaware of it?

        Many people in the world, are probably unaware of archery, or, of
        archery as an activity that exists; does that mean that archery is not
        an activity worth doing?

        Many (possibly most) of the archers "in the knowned worlde" are
        probably not aware of this mailing list (I only found out about it,
        through my own efforts, and, I think, thence, by accident) - does that
        mean that this list is of no benefit?

        Just because a person may be unaware of something, does not mean that
        that thing of which the person is unaware, is of no benefit.

        Hence, a difference between bigotry and heresy; the first, being the
        refusal to accept opinions different to the opinions of the bigot,
        and, the second, whee the person chooses for himself/herself, and,
        employs the freedom to choose.

        --
        Oblio the Unregistered,
        Heretic of Abertwidr
        of the Western Shores
        In the Kingdom of Lochac

        Per fructu, non folii
        ................................

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