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RE: [SCA-Archery] xbow string slipping

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  • Harry Billings
    If this is a crossbow that you made with an Elk Ridge prod contact them and see if they have any suggestions. you could also try electral tape over the string
    Message 1 of 10 , Jan 22, 2012
      If this is a crossbow that you made with an Elk Ridge prod contact them and see if they have any suggestions. you could also try electral tape over the string ends.
      plachoya
      Ansteorra

       

       
      Since I don't have a useful answer...
      Duct tape.
      JT

      On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
       

      Same.


      Jon

      On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Harry Billings wrote:

       

      Are your bolts the same weight as before or lighter?

      plachoya
      Ansteorra

       

       
      My target crossbow just developed a problem, the string slips off the nock. The first time it happen last week, one loop slipped off and slip up the prod. I put it back on after reducing the size of the loop so it was a snug fit over the nock. I had shot it only about 100 shots before this happened, it is a Elk Ridge 147 pound laminated prod with horn overlay for the nock ends. It has a four inch brace height and this was the original string. The next day when shooting it came off again and vanished somewhere in my back yard, I could not find it. So I made a new string to the same specs with the loops made small enough so that they just fit over the nocks. Then Saturday while shooting the IKAC it came loose again at the end of the competition and slid up the prod just as I was finishing the first six arrows at twenty yards.

      My question is, what can I do to correct this problem, which I never had before?

      Thank you for any help you can give.

      Jon, West






      --
      In service to the dream

      Baron Jon Thomme

      Gold is for the mistress
      Silver for the maid
      Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade.
      "Good" said the Baron sitting in his hall,
      But iron, cold iron is master of them all.
      R. Kipling

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    • George Bottorf
      Greetings Jon. A few questions first. What is the span of the prod? What is the draw length of the prod? What is it mounted on? A picture of the xbow might be
      Message 2 of 10 , Jan 22, 2012
        Greetings Jon. A few questions first. What is the span of the prod? What is the draw length of the prod? What is it mounted on? A picture of the xbow might be helpful. How is prod mounted to stock? Tied on or irons,etc.? Where did you obtain the prod? What is the string made from and number of strands. Is this the xbow you made a couple of years ago? Pictures in SCA-West files? What is pro made out of? Laminated wood/glass skin, or solid f/glass? I have a few possible fixes in mind, but need more info. Please to let me know if you will. YIS, Abner.
      • kolrbogsveigir
        Try increasing the brace height. A longbow will do the same thing if you get the brace height too low. Kolr
        Message 3 of 10 , Jan 23, 2012
          Try increasing the brace height. A longbow will do the same thing if you get the brace height too low.

          Kolr
        • John Edgerton
          My thanks to all those that replied to my request for help. When I sent my request to this list, I also emailed Elk Ridge Archery. I had an very fast response
          Message 4 of 10 , Jan 23, 2012
            My thanks to all those that replied to my request for help.

            When I sent my request to this list, I also emailed Elk Ridge Archery.  I had an very fast response from the owner, who explained what I needed to do and said to call him if I needed further explanation.  I did call and he was most helpful. 

            What needed to be done was was to lightly file out, with a small round file, the top grove of the string nock in the horn overlay.  Sometimes the finish he paints on the nocks can fill in the grove a bit, so it just needs to be filed out.  When I looked and compared both nock groves, I could see the slight difference between them.  This allowed the string to roll over the edge of the grove and slide up the prod.

            He said that if I had a problem doing this, just to mail him the prod and he would fix it for me.  I am very pleased with the quick response and service that he provides.

            He makes handsome laminated prods, mine has birds-eye maple (you have your choice of woods) on both sides and throws my heavy bolts down range at about 220 fps. My prod is not set up for its full 10 inch draw, it is only 8.5 inches.  So it is not drawing its full 147 pounds. 

            When the string came off in the IKAC, I had just put five bolts in a three inch circle, even with my fading olde eyesight.

            Jon, West



            From: Harry Billings <humble_archer@...>
            To: SCA archery <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sun, January 22, 2012 7:46:54 PM
            Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] xbow string slipping

             

            If this is a crossbow that you made with an Elk Ridge prod contact them and see if they have any suggestions. you could also try electral tape over the string ends.
            plachoya
            Ansteorra

             

             
            Since I don't have a useful answer...
            Duct tape.
            JT

            On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
             

            Same.


            Jon

            On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Harry Billings wrote:

             

            Are your bolts the same weight as before or lighter?

            plachoya
            Ansteorra

             

             
            My target crossbow just developed a problem, the string slips off the nock. The first time it happen last week, one loop slipped off and slip up the prod. I put it back on after reducing the size of the loop so it was a snug fit over the nock. I had shot it only about 100 shots before this happened, it is a Elk Ridge 147 pound laminated prod with horn overlay for the nock ends. It has a four inch brace height and this was the original string. The next day when shooting it came off again and vanished somewhere in my back yard, I could not find it. So I made a new string to the same specs with the loops made small enough so that they just fit over the nocks. Then Saturday while shooting the IKAC it came loose again at the end of the competition and slid up the prod just as I was finishing the first six arrows at twenty yards.

            My question is, what can I do to correct this problem, which I never had before?

            Thank you for any help you can give.

            Jon, West






            --
            In service to the dream

            Baron Jon Thomme

            Gold is for the mistress
            Silver for the maid
            Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade.
            "Good" said the Baron sitting in his hall,
            But iron, cold iron is master of them all.
            R. Kipling

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          • chris and sher
            elkridge, are great people , they have donated items to our shire ,numerus times for childrens tournys, very nice and generus. christopher From: John
            Message 5 of 10 , Jan 23, 2012
              elkridge, are great people , they have donated  items to our shire ,numerus  times for childrens tournys, very nice and generus.
              christopher
               
              Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:37 AM
              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] xbow string slipping
               
               

              My thanks to all those that replied to my request for help.

              When I sent my request to this list, I also emailed Elk Ridge Archery.  I had an very fast response from the owner, who explained what I needed to do and said to call him if I needed further explanation.  I did call and he was most helpful. 

              What needed to be done was was to lightly file out, with a small round file, the top grove of the string nock in the horn overlay.  Sometimes the finish he paints on the nocks can fill in the grove a bit, so it just needs to be filed out.  When I looked and compared both nock groves, I could see the slight difference between them.  This allowed the string to roll over the edge of the grove and slide up the prod.

              He said that if I had a problem doing this, just to mail him the prod and he would fix it for me.  I am very pleased with the quick response and service that he provides.

              He makes handsome laminated prods, mine has birds-eye maple (you have your choice of woods) on both sides and throws my heavy bolts down range at about 220 fps. My prod is not set up for its full 10 inch draw, it is only 8.5 inches.  So it is not drawing its full 147 pounds. 

              When the string came off in the IKAC, I had just put five bolts in a three inch circle, even with my fading olde eyesight.

              Jon, West
               
               

              From: Harry Billings <humble_archer@...>
              To: SCA archery <sca-archery@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sun, January 22, 2012 7:46:54 PM
              Subject: RE: [SCA-Archery] xbow string slipping

               
              If this is a crossbow that you made with an Elk Ridge prod contact them and see if they have any suggestions. you could also try electral tape over the string ends.
              plachoya
              Ansteorra

               

               
              Since I don't have a useful answer...
              Duct tape.
              JT

              On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:18 PM, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:
               

              Same.

               
              Jon
               
              On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Harry Billings wrote:

               
               
              Are your bolts the same weight as before or lighter?

              plachoya
              Ansteorra

               

               
              My target crossbow just developed a problem, the string slips off the nock. The first time it happen last week, one loop slipped off and slip up the prod. I put it back on after reducing the size of the loop so it was a snug fit over the nock. I had shot it only about 100 shots before this happened, it is a Elk Ridge 147 pound laminated prod with horn overlay for the nock ends. It has a four inch brace height and this was the original string. The next day when shooting it came off again and vanished somewhere in my back yard, I could not find it. So I made a new string to the same specs with the loops made small enough so that they just fit over the nocks. Then Saturday while shooting the IKAC it came loose again at the end of the competition and slid up the prod just as I was finishing the first six arrows at twenty yards.

              My question is, what can I do to correct this problem, which I never had before?

              Thank you for any help you can give.

              Jon, West
               
               
               


               
              --
              In service to the dream

              Baron Jon Thomme

              Gold is for the mistress
              Silver for the maid
              Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade.
              "Good" said the Baron sitting in his hall,
              But iron, cold iron is master of them all.
              R. Kipling
               
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            • James Koch
              Check the diameter of the nock serving relative to the nocks. If you have re-served it, the diameter will likely have increased. Usually though decreasing
              Message 6 of 10 , Jan 23, 2012
                Check the diameter of the nock serving relative to the nocks.  If you have re-served it, the diameter will likely have increased.  Usually though decreasing the size of the loops helps.  I'd string and draw it slowly to see what the nock ends do as you approach full draw. 
                >
                Jim Koch "Gladius The Alchemist"
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                >    At 09:55 AM 1/23/2012, you wrote:
                 


                Try increasing the brace height. A longbow will do the same thing if you get the brace height too low.

                Kolr

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