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  • John Edgerton
    Feel free to repost anywhere. Jon ... Feel free to repost anywhere. Jon On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Taslen wrote: permission to forward this on to our group
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011
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      Feel free to repost anywhere.

      Jon
      On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Taslen wrote:

       

      permission to forward this on to our group lists gentlemen?

      From: John Rossignol <giguette@...>
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:58 AM
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011

       
      This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon.  Thank you.

      John


      On 7/8/2011 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:
      The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 
      society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 
      target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.
       
      Non rattan martial participants totals—2011
       
      RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
      TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
      COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
      EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
      SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
      THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                          TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
       
      • two kingdoms not reporting
      **  one kingdom not reporting
       
      The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.
      Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011
       TOTAL            10,234
       
      While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
       
       
      Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
       
      Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
       
       
      Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
      Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf





    • John Edgerton
      ... Aethelmearc: estimated 89 An Tir: estimated 300 Ansteorra: estimated 300 Artemisia: Estimated 107 Atenveldt; Atlantia: estimated 250-300 Caid:
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011
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        On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Taslen wrote:

         

        Did we get our numbers for the Middle?
         
        Gaelen O'Grady
        Midrealm archery marshal of the field

        Aethelmearc:  estimated 89
        An Tir:  estimated 300
        Ansteorra:  estimated 300
        Artemisia:  Estimated 107
        Atenveldt;
        Atlantia:  estimated 250-300
        Caid: estimated 100
        Calontir:  estimated 250
        Drachenwald:  estimated 240
        Ealdormere:
        East: 1,000 (low approximation)
        Gleann Abhann:
        Lochac: estimated 300 (low approximation)
        Meridies:  92 (from Meridies archery web page)
        Middle:   483
        Northshield:  estimated 250-300
        Outlands:  estimated: 162
        Trimaris:  estimated: 233
        West:  estimated 50-60
         
        4,016high estimate
      • Lewis Tanzos
        Sir Jon, A question for you. I do not necessarily consider Siege and Combat Archery as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
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          Sir Jon,

          A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

          Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

           - Istvan

          --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

          From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
          Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
          To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM

           

          The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

          society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

          target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

           

          Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

           
          RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
          TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
          COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
          EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
          SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
          THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                              TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
           
          • two kingdoms not reporting

          **  one kingdom not reporting

           

          The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

          Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

           TOTAL            10,234

           

          While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
           
           
          Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
           
          Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
           
           
          Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
          Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf
        • John Edgerton
          They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon. Jon ... They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon. Jon On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:16 PM,
          Message 4 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
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            They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon.

            Jon
            On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Lewis Tanzos wrote:

             

            Sir Jon,

            A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

            Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

             - Istvan

            --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

            From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
            Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
            To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
            Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM

             

            The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

            society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

            target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

             

            Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

             
            RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
            TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
            COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
            EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
            SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
            THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                                TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
             
            • two kingdoms not reporting

            **  one kingdom not reporting

             

            The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

            Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

             TOTAL            10,234

             

            While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
             
             
            Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
             
            Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
             
             
            Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
            Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf


          • David Nolan
            Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities? Aengus O Nolan
            Message 5 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
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              Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities?

              Aengus O'Nolan
              Midlands Archery Champion
              Rapier Fighter

              On Jul 11, 2011 2:17 PM, "Lewis Tanzos" <lewistanzos@...> wrote:

               

              Sir Jon,

              A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

              Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

               - Istvan



              --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

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              Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
              To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM


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            • John Edgerton
              From the numbers I was given there was no way of calculating the degree of crossover, which certainly does exist, between any of the communities, including
              Message 6 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
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                From the numbers I was given there was no way of calculating the degree of crossover, which certainly does exist, between any of the communities, including heavy weapon combat.

                Jon
                On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:42 PM, David Nolan wrote:

                 

                Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities?

                Aengus O'Nolan
                Midlands Archery Champion
                Rapier Fighter


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