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  • John Rossignol
    This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon. Thank you. John ... This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon.  Thank you. John On 7/8/2011
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 9, 2011
      This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon.  Thank you.

      John


      On 7/8/2011 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:

      The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

      society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

      target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

       

      Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

       
      RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
      TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
      COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
      EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
      SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
      THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                          TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
       
      • two kingdoms not reporting

      **  one kingdom not reporting

       

      The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

      Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

       TOTAL            10,234

       

      While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
       
       
      Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
       
      Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
       
       
      Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
      Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf

    • John Edgerton
      Correction, for target that should have been three kingdoms not reporting. Jon ... Correction, for target that should have been three kingdoms not reporting.
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 9, 2011
        Correction, for target that should have been three kingdoms not reporting. 

        Jon
        On Jul 8, 2011, at 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:

         

        The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

        society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

        target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

         

        Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

         
        RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
        TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
        COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
        EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
        SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
        THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                            TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
         
        • two kingdoms not reporting

        **  one kingdom not reporting

         

        The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

        Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

         TOTAL            10,234

         

        While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
         
         
        Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
         
        Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
         
         
        Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
        Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf


      • Taslen
        permission to forward this on to our group lists gentlemen? From: John Rossignol To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 9,
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011
          permission to forward this on to our group lists gentlemen?

          From: John Rossignol <giguette@...>
          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:58 AM
          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011

           
          This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon.  Thank you.

          John


          On 7/8/2011 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:
          The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 
          society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 
          target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.
           
          Non rattan martial participants totals—2011
           
          RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
          TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
          COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
          EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
          SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
          THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                              TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
           
          • two kingdoms not reporting
          **  one kingdom not reporting
           
          The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.
          Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011
           TOTAL            10,234
           
          While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
           
           
          Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
           
          Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
           
           
          Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
          Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf



        • Taslen
          Did we get our numbers for the Middle?   Gaelen O Grady Midrealm archery marshal of the field From: John Edgerton To:
          Message 4 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011
            Did we get our numbers for the Middle?
             
            Gaelen O'Grady
            Midrealm archery marshal of the field

            From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 11:11 AM
            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011

             
            Correction, for target that should have been three kingdoms not reporting. 

            Jon
            On Jul 8, 2011, at 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:

             
            The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 
            society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 
            target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.
             
            Non rattan martial participants totals—2011
             
            RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
            TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
            COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
            EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
            SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
            THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                                TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
             
            • two kingdoms not reporting
            **  one kingdom not reporting
             
            The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.
            Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011
             TOTAL            10,234
             
            While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
             
             
            Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
             
            Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
             
             
            Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
            Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf




          • John Edgerton
            Feel free to repost anywhere. Jon ... Feel free to repost anywhere. Jon On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Taslen wrote: permission to forward this on to our group
            Message 5 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011
              Feel free to repost anywhere.

              Jon
              On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Taslen wrote:

               

              permission to forward this on to our group lists gentlemen?

              From: John Rossignol <giguette@...>
              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:58 AM
              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011

               
              This compilation is a significant service, Sir Jon.  Thank you.

              John


              On 7/8/2011 10:41 PM, John Edgerton wrote:
              The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 
              society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 
              target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.
               
              Non rattan martial participants totals—2011
               
              RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
              TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
              COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
              EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
              SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
              THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                                  TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
               
              • two kingdoms not reporting
              **  one kingdom not reporting
               
              The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.
              Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011
               TOTAL            10,234
               
              While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
               
               
              Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
               
              Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
               
               
              Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
              Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf





            • John Edgerton
              ... Aethelmearc: estimated 89 An Tir: estimated 300 Ansteorra: estimated 300 Artemisia: Estimated 107 Atenveldt; Atlantia: estimated 250-300 Caid:
              Message 6 of 11 , Jul 10, 2011

                On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Taslen wrote:

                 

                Did we get our numbers for the Middle?
                 
                Gaelen O'Grady
                Midrealm archery marshal of the field

                Aethelmearc:  estimated 89
                An Tir:  estimated 300
                Ansteorra:  estimated 300
                Artemisia:  Estimated 107
                Atenveldt;
                Atlantia:  estimated 250-300
                Caid: estimated 100
                Calontir:  estimated 250
                Drachenwald:  estimated 240
                Ealdormere:
                East: 1,000 (low approximation)
                Gleann Abhann:
                Lochac: estimated 300 (low approximation)
                Meridies:  92 (from Meridies archery web page)
                Middle:   483
                Northshield:  estimated 250-300
                Outlands:  estimated: 162
                Trimaris:  estimated: 233
                West:  estimated 50-60
                 
                4,016high estimate
              • Lewis Tanzos
                Sir Jon, A question for you. I do not necessarily consider Siege and Combat Archery as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those
                Message 7 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
                  Sir Jon,

                  A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

                  Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

                   - Istvan

                  --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

                  From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                  Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
                  To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                  Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM

                   

                  The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

                  society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

                  target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

                   

                  Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

                   
                  RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
                  TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
                  COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
                  EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
                  SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
                  THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                                      TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
                   
                  • two kingdoms not reporting

                  **  one kingdom not reporting

                   

                  The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

                  Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

                   TOTAL            10,234

                   

                  While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
                   
                   
                  Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
                   
                  Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
                   
                   
                  Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
                  Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf
                • John Edgerton
                  They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon. Jon ... They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon. Jon On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:16 PM,
                  Message 8 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
                    They do not directly use rattan as their primary weapon.

                    Jon
                    On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Lewis Tanzos wrote:

                     

                    Sir Jon,

                    A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

                    Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

                     - Istvan

                    --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

                    From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                    Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
                    To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                    Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM

                     

                    The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 

                    society deputies and the kingdom officers, except for the numbers for 

                    target which were obtained only from the kingdom deputies.

                     

                    Non rattan martial participants totals—2011

                     
                    RAPIER                                                4,000  Approximate
                    TARGET ARCHERY                             4,016  Approximate *
                    COMBAT ARCHERY                             1,692 Approximate**
                    EQUESTRIAN                                        990   Approximate
                    SIEGE                                                    300  Approximate
                    THROWN WEAPONS                           NO NUMBERS
                                                        TOTAlL            10,998 Approximate
                     
                    • two kingdoms not reporting

                    **  one kingdom not reporting

                     

                    The numbers for heavy rattan, armored, participants were obtained from the SEM.

                    Heavy rattan, armored, participants–2011

                     TOTAL            10,234

                     

                    While some people are authorized in more that one weapon form, there is no way for determining or separating those numbers out. With that in mind, it is evident that there are a large number of people in the SCA who take part in non-rattan combat activities.
                     
                     
                    Non-rattan participant numbers were up approximately 954 from 2009.
                     
                    Heavy rattan, armored, participants were down approximately 1,272 from 2009.
                     
                     
                    Numbers compiled by John R Edgerton
                    Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf


                  • David Nolan
                    Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities? Aengus O Nolan
                    Message 9 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011

                      Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities?

                      Aengus O'Nolan
                      Midlands Archery Champion
                      Rapier Fighter

                      On Jul 11, 2011 2:17 PM, "Lewis Tanzos" <lewistanzos@...> wrote:

                       

                      Sir Jon,

                      A question for you. I do not necessarily consider "Siege" and "Combat Archery" as non-rattan activities. Fundamentally, practitioners of those activities need rattan combatants as targets. Can you explain your rationale for separating those from the rattan numbers?

                      Also, do the rattan numbers from the SEM include those people, or exclude? (Are they being counted twice?)

                       - Istvan



                      --- On Sat, 7/9/11, John Edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote:

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                      > From: John Edgerton <sirjon1@...>

                      Subject: [SCA-Archery] non rattan martial participants-2011
                      To: sca-MissileCombat@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                      Cc: sca-4peerage@yahoogroups.com, SCAPeerageSurvey@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:41 AM


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                      > The numbers for non-rattan martial participants were obtained from the 
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                    • John Edgerton
                      From the numbers I was given there was no way of calculating the degree of crossover, which certainly does exist, between any of the communities, including
                      Message 10 of 11 , Jul 11, 2011
                        From the numbers I was given there was no way of calculating the degree of crossover, which certainly does exist, between any of the communities, including heavy weapon combat.

                        Jon
                        On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:42 PM, David Nolan wrote:

                         

                        Just so I understand your numbers, are you taking in the large amount of crossovers between the rapier, target archery and CA communities?

                        Aengus O'Nolan
                        Midlands Archery Champion
                        Rapier Fighter


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