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Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Period archery competitions

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  • blackwaterincorp@sbcglobal.net
    J e.joy reading. your stories sca isnt strong here. Frontier shooting is a.d modified hunting shoots we had one couple months back they had hogs pulled by a
    Message 1 of 1 , Jan 5, 2011
      J e.joy reading. your stories sca isnt strong here. Frontier shooting is a.d modified hunting shoots we had one  couple months  back they had hogs pulled by a rope that only had target I. Open for three seconds had a grizzly bear 100yda up a hill shot till someone hit moved 10yda a round rember by.ting is hunting regardless of time. L shoot a cherry long bow 68lbs.

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      From: "Jessica E Baas" <divinite@...>
      Date: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 3:59 pm
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Period archery competitions
      To: <SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com>


      I suspect there are many more creative Marshals (and archers) out there than you expect! I have seen some amazingly creative shoots at various events in Caid and while they may not have been documented in period, they had a period design or flare to them.

      Someone already mentioned the roving shoot I helped design (I took pictures and did the line drawings from them, someone else enlarged and painted them) for Duchess Kolfinna II's Queen's Champion (may she rest with the Valkyries). We have also done various shoots dealing with Viking invasions, moving targets, elaborately drawn targets from Michael of Bolton and his lady in our northern reaches, spinning targets and other fun and challenging things that test our skill. We have used the period style 3 ring target for forester rounds and have moved away from using the 5 ring FITA target for anything but practices and a few events that were designed specific to that target; the Caid Open and GWW Championship are both double elimination RR tournaments that test endurance as well as skill.

      One of my favorites I have done in recent years was designed after a festival in Italy dating back to 1339. While I have my doubts that the shoot they use in the modern tournament was the same as what was done in the original festivals, it is fun and plausible (metric dimensions aside). The following is my rough translation from the Italian website:

      Each round has four archers, who compete in three volleys. The first is three discs of 20 cm diameter and one with 7cm in the center. The second, the outside discs reduce to 15cm. During these two rounds, the archers may use four arrows to score on the discs. The last volley is a single disc with a 10cm diameter and the archer can use a single arrow.

      The original notes paglia (straw) or paglione (which appears from a web search to be Saunder's Mat like) as the target material. Circles were drawn on these in white chalk.

      Every disc assigns an established score: The first two volleys large discs are worth 10 points each, while the center one is worth 60. The last volley, the single disc is worth 60 points.

      This competition is based on the Palio dei Rioni, an archery competition dating back to 1339 in Pescia, Italy. The festival was recently revived and takes place each September in Pescia as a challenge between the four main neighborhoods in the city.

      ** I was unable to find information on when this specific tournament was first done. It is possible that it goes back to the original Palio (1339-1529), but it's also possible that it came about with the revival in 1985. From the website it appears that it might be a combination of the two (style done in a period manner, but metric sizes adapted for the modern tournament). The tournament is completed in 14th and 15th century Italian garb with period longbows. I believe there was also a mention of a crossbow competition done in a similar manner, but I could only find a direct long bow reference.

      We used this competition for a Lyondemere Baronial Championship a few years ago and it proved both difficult and entertaining. The massive score changes (10/60) meant that the final arrow was really worth something. The setup of the targets makes it harder than it first appears, especially with the blank space between the targets as there is no overlap. Since there were more than 4 archers, we completed the tournament in multiple rounds, with the top 8 overall scores moving on to a semi-final, then the top 4 to a final round.

      For each Queen's Champion in Caid, I (and Ihon as soon as he steps up as MoA on Saturday) meet with each new Princess and the autocrat for Queen's Champion to discuss if Her Highness has anything she would like to see at the shoot. Even if the Princess is not an archer and has no familiarity with archery, they can share favorite stories, subjects, time periods or countries to design a shoot around. This is how we ended up with spinning targets (thanks to Duchess Mora) and the roving shoot targets (I approached Duchess Kolfinna with the idea, she collected the players and choreographed the images), among others. Anyone with an idea, some knowledge of history and the desire to have a little fun can make a shoot that challenges (and possibly annoys) even the best of archers.

      I have taught a class at Caid's Collegium Caidis on designing shoots, going through the process I use and that Lyondemere has used to create some unique games and competitions. I'm not sure if I have the notes from that class (or if I made any to begin with), but it might be about time to teach it again.

      While I appreciate fun and games as much as anyone, having a scoring mechanism is important to measure individual gains. Even though the 5 ring FITA target isn't period, it gives us something to measure progress, improvement and gives us something to work towards. Whether the competition is between archers or a solo endeavor to make it the next rank, it is something that we, as archers across the known world, can look at with consistency. We can tell an archer from any Kingdom what our Royal Round average is and they know what it means. Although I prefer to not use them for competitions, sometimes getting IKAC/RR scores registered is a good thing. Many archers in Caid are "unranked" because Royal Rounds are not shot at practices for various reasons. For example, in Lyondemere, one of our two ranges has a max distance of 30 yards, limiting our ability to get ranking scores during practices.

      In service to Caid,

      THL Christina
      Minister of Archers (for a few more days)

      From: Hobbe <clanyoungvp@...>
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 7:00:43 AM
      Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Period archery competitions


      I suspect that in the West, there are a number of Marshal's without the imagination to design interesting targets. In the East, we use fita for RR's and for practice. It is rarely seen at an event (usually on a practice range) and almost never used in competition.

      I, for one, become offended every time you bring up this subject and tell us that we are doing it wrong.
      ~Hobbe Yonge

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