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Re: [SCA-Archery] what questions - Inspecting

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  • Ronald Klick
    Greetings,  I agree with your comments. A marshall just has to keep an eye on those that are questionable for awhile. If there are too many shooters on
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 18, 2010
      Greetings,  I agree with your comments. A marshall just has to keep an eye on 
      those that are questionable for awhile. If there are too many shooters on the 
      line that are questionmarks, just ask for more marshals to help watch/instruct.
      Another option at events is to schedule novice classes before main opening of 
      range. This lets you see who most of the novices are, so you can keep them 
      under a watchful eye later. (also they are usually the one asking for loaner 
      gear) The tough ones are those that show up with borrowed gear that may 
      or may not be suitable for them, and they come in saying the are experts!!

      As for younger archers (youngest I've had shooting have been 5 or 6) I would 
      like to recommend shooting IKAC Children's Division (ages 10 and under) or 
      Youth Division (ages 11-13) rounds. They are set up the same as the adult 
      IKAC rounds, but with distances of 10-15-20 yds and 10-20-30 yds respectively.
      This set up allows for transition from young kids up through teens when they 
      can shoot bows more competitively with adults. Works better for kids that are 
      pulling a 9.5 lb bow. See the IKAC Website for rules,

      Osmond de Berwic

      --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Brad Boda d'Aylward <bradb@...> wrote:

      From: Brad Boda d'Aylward <bradb@...>
      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] what questions - Inspecting
      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:25 PM


      I have always thought that this is just more hooey from someone who has
      control issues in their life. When I inspect a bow and sticker it, I am
      inspecting the soundness of the bow. Is it a safe piece of equipment??
      Yes/No. It's the same safe equipment no matter who uses the bow.

      Now, granted, If I see an adult overdrawing a childrens' bow I will step to
      that Archer and question their common sense. But that's why I get paid the
      big bucks as a Marshal. To do my job. Also I find it extreamly easy to spot
      the rookie shooter and I can't think of a time that they declined my offer
      of advice or critique of their form. The look of abject delight after
      they've firmed up their shooting form and the arrow actually goes somewhere
      in the region they thought they were aiming is priceless.

      Most of our Grand Master ranked Archers in Æthelmearc used lighter poundage
      bows to shoot their GM rank due to the relatively large number of arrows
      which need be shot to bring an average that high. With the double inspection
      then do I downcheck someone who stands 6' 2" from using a 35# recurve? And
      inversely do I reject a 16 year old who shows up with stars in their eyes
      and a 98# longbow? If they can actually snap shoot the beast I say, "Let 'em
      use it." If they show a severe lack of control I will ask them to stop doing
      whatever is making me nervous as an experienced line marshal. There is *no
      way* to tell at the inspection point if that 16yr old has trained and can,
      in fact, safely snap shoot the beast. One of our Grand Masters was the first
      to shoot a GM score with a long bow and he did it with a 98# American Flat
      Bow. He snap shoots and also vibrates throughout his draw. Too much poundage
      for the man??? Don't try to tell him that. This is the Line Marshals job; to
      watch and evaluate their shooters.

      No. The double inspection doesn't make the equipment *any* safer and the
      rookies are easy enough to spot for teaching and advice. I see the double
      inspection as a way for the control oriented to make a simple sport more
      complicated for their own sake and certainly not for the safety of the
      sport. Some actually view the double inspection as an attempt to cut down
      the number of archers who would bother to shoot for score for their kingdom
      at Pennsic.

      But that's a can of political worms I don't want to get into despite the
      fact that I brought it up. Archery is a simple sport which can be
      administered simply and efficiently and is one of the more inclusive sports
      available to all. The youngest Archer I ever had was 6 or 7yrs old and she
      held a RR Average of .333. Yup she hit the white ring once in her life at
      that age and she loved it. There is no reason to complicate things any more
      than watching her safely have a blast on the range.


      Subject: [SCA-Archery] what questions - Inspecting

      OK, lets try another re: inspections:
      -OK, this is a Pennsic thing. Allow me; every archer has to be inspected for
      the bow/arrows they will use there, Shared equipment has to be inspected for
      each archer. Both the inspectors and archers tag numbers go on the sticker.
      - why? (one answer might be - that there are literally hundreds of archers
      there you don't know - many of them brand new shooters)

      Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe
      Midrealm Forester - OP
      "- bows of carved wood strong for use, with well-seasoned strings of hemp,
      and arrows sharp-pointed whizzing in flight."

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