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  • John edgerton
    I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found that If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. I suppose that is
    Message 1 of 28 , Sep 29, 2009
      I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found that
      "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
      warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range marshals that
      want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not make this
      clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range marshal and
      does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof of
      warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?

      Jon, West


      "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has an
      authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must be
      authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We will be
      offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for our
      visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that as
      many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
      festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting Range
      Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
      authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
      availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior to
      the tournament on Saturday."

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    • Jessica E Baas
      If they have their proof of warrant they won t need to do an authorization. If they re an RM and don t bring one they ll have to do a short authorization to be
      Message 2 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
        If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
        authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have to do
        a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able to marshal. We only need to do
        authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms that do require authorization will just need to provide proof of authorization as they would in their home kingdom.

        Christina




        ________________________________
        From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>
        Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
        Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


        I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found that
        "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
        warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range marshals that
        want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not make this
        clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range marshal and
        does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof of
        warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?

        Jon, West

        "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has an
        authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must be
        authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We will be
        offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for our
        visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that as
        many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
        festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting Range
        Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
        authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
        availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior to
        the tournament on Saturday."

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      • ICE TIGER
        Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer have to do to be authorized? Dalton
        Message 3 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
          Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer have to do to be authorized?
          Dalton

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>
          Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

          > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
          > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have
          > to do
          > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able
          > to marshal. We only need to do
          > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
          > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
          > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof of
          > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
          >
          > Christina
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
          > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
          > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>
          > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
          > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
          >
          >
          > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found
          > that
          > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
          > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
          > marshals that
          > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
          > make this
          > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
          > marshal and
          > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof
          > of
          > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
          >
          > Jon, West
          >
          > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
          > an
          > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
          > be
          > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
          > will be
          > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
          > our
          > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
          > as
          > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
          > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
          > Range
          > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
          > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
          > availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior
          > to
          > the tournament on Saturday."
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >


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        • Jessica E Baas
          IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery authorization. For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event only
          Message 4 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
            IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery authorization.

            For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.

            Christina




            ________________________________
            From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


            Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer have to do to be authorized?
            Dalton

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
            Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
            To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

            > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
            > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have
            > to do
            > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able
            > to marshal. We only need to do
            > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
            > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
            > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof of
            > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
            >
            > Christina
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ____________ _________ _________ __
            > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
            > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
            > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
            > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
            > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
            >
            >
            > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found
            > that
            > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
            > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
            > marshals that
            > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
            > make this
            > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
            > marshal and
            > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof
            > of
            > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
            >
            > Jon, West
            >
            > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
            > an
            > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
            > be
            > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
            > will be
            > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
            > our
            > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
            > as
            > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
            > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
            > Range
            > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
            > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
            > availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior
            > to
            > the tournament on Saturday."
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >

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          • William Arwemakere
            Good morning I often wonder why there is no required authorization for target archery in the SCA. It is by far the most potentially lethal activity we do
            Message 5 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
              Good morning

              I often wonder why there is no required authorization for target archery in
              the SCA. It is by far the most potentially lethal activity we do (except
              perhaps cooking for a feast, can get more than on target that way). Often I
              see a new face appear on the range at an event, and simply walk up to the
              line and start shooting. Most people know what they are doing, while some
              have no clue whatsoever. Often there is one marshal to run the line, and so
              should not be distracted by having to focus on that one new person to ensure
              they're safe. It only takes one newbie to make one mistake to ruin a day.

              I am not advocating requiring it, but it's curious.

              William


              On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>wrote:

              >
              >
              > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery authorization.
              >
              > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event only
              > authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short practical to
              > ensure archers are safe on the line.
              >
              > Christina
              >
              > ________________________________
              > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@... <ice.tiger%40shaw.ca>>
              > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
              >
              > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
              >
              > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually require target
              > archers to be authorized and what does an archer have to do to be
              > authorized?
              > Dalton
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
              > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
              > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
              > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
              >
              > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
              > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have
              > > to do
              > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able
              > > to marshal. We only need to do
              > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
              > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
              > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof of
              > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
              > >
              > > Christina
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ____________ _________ _________ __
              > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
              > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
              > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
              > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
              > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
              > >
              > >
              > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found
              > > that
              > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
              > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
              > > marshals that
              > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
              > > make this
              > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
              > > marshal and
              > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof
              > > of
              > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
              > >
              > > Jon, West
              > >
              > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
              > > an
              > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
              > > be
              > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
              > > will be
              > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
              > > our
              > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
              > > as
              > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
              > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
              > > Range
              > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
              > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
              > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior
              > > to
              > > the tournament on Saturday."
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > >
              >
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            • ICE TIGER
              Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom s that require it? I m looking for the actual
              Message 6 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                Dalton

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>
                Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

                > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                > authorization.
                > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single
                > event only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and
                > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                >
                > Christina
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                >
                >
                > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually
                > require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer
                > have to do to be authorized?
                > Dalton
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                >
                > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll
                > have
                > > to do
                > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be
                > able
                > > to marshal. We only need to do
                > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
                > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
                > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof
                > of
                > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                > >
                > > Christina
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                > >
                > >
                > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and
                > found
                > > that
                > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
                > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                > > marshals that
                > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
                > > make this
                > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                > > marshal and
                > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring
                > proof
                > > of
                > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                > >
                > > Jon, West
                > >
                > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
                > > an
                > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
                > > be
                > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
                > > will be
                > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
                > > our
                > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
                > > as
                > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
                > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
                > > Range
                > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
                > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
                > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available
                > prior
                > > to
                > > the tournament on Saturday."
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >
                >
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                >


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              • John edgerton
                Thank you. That makes it more clear. Jon
                Message 7 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                  Thank you. That makes it more clear.

                  Jon
                  On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                  > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                  > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have to do
                  > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able to
                  > marshal. We only need to do
                  > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not require
                  > authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms that do
                  > require authorization will just need to provide proof of
                  > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                  >
                  > Christina
                • C H
                  ummmm load arrow, draw arrow, shoot arrow, arrow not end up in your own foot or someone else s butt? just a guess, ...... but then again i m just a heavy
                  Message 8 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                    ummmm load arrow, draw arrow, shoot arrow, arrow not end up in your own foot or someone else's butt?
                    just a guess, ...... but then again i'm just a heavy fighter ~smiles innocently~

                    --- On Wed, 9/30/09, ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...> wrote:


                    From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                    Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                    To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                    Received: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 10:30 AM


                     



                    Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                    Dalton

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                    Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                    Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                    To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

                    > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                    > authorization.
                    > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single
                    > event only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and
                    > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                    >
                    > Christina
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ____________ _________ _________ __
                    > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                    > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                    >
                    >
                    > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually
                    > require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer
                    > have to do to be authorized?
                    > Dalton
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                    > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                    > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                    >
                    > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                    > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll
                    > have
                    > > to do
                    > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be
                    > able
                    > > to marshal. We only need to do
                    > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
                    > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
                    > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof
                    > of
                    > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                    > >
                    > > Christina
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                    > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                    > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                    > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                    > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and
                    > found
                    > > that
                    > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
                    > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                    > > marshals that
                    > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
                    > > make this
                    > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                    > > marshal and
                    > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring
                    > proof
                    > > of
                    > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                    > >
                    > > Jon, West
                    > >
                    > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
                    > > an
                    > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
                    > > be
                    > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
                    > > will be
                    > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
                    > > our
                    > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
                    > > as
                    > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
                    > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
                    > > Range
                    > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
                    > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
                    > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available
                    > prior
                    > > to
                    > > the tournament on Saturday."
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                    >
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                    >
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                  • John edgerton
                    Is there any way planed for those archers that can not be there until Friday evening to authorize? It seems likely that there will be some getting in too late
                    Message 9 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                      Is there any way planed for those archers that can not be there until
                      Friday evening to authorize? It seems likely that there will be some
                      getting in too late to authorize by Friday. Not all archers are on
                      this list or have read the GWW archery rules on line. Therefore
                      there will be some that will not know about the deadline for
                      authorization at the war and it should not be their fault. I hope
                      that arrangements can be made for them so that they will not be
                      turned away.

                      Jon
                      On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                      > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                      > authorization.
                      >
                      > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event
                      > only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short
                      > practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                      >
                      > Christina
                    • Terrance Timmons
                      According to marshallate information, 7 kingdoms DONT require TA authorizations. since then at least Atenveldt has adopted Authorizations, so it is at the
                      Message 10 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                        According to marshallate information, 7 kingdoms DONT require TA authorizations. since then at least Atenveldt has adopted Authorizations, so it is at the most 6 kingdoms.

                        YIS

                        Terrance of Granite Mountain
                        Atenveldt
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: William Arwemakere
                        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:37 AM
                        Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                        Good morning

                        I often wonder why there is no required authorization for target archery in
                        the SCA. It is by far the most potentially lethal activity we do (except
                        perhaps cooking for a feast, can get more than on target that way). Often I
                        see a new face appear on the range at an event, and simply walk up to the
                        line and start shooting. Most people know what they are doing, while some
                        have no clue whatsoever. Often there is one marshal to run the line, and so
                        should not be distracted by having to focus on that one new person to ensure
                        they're safe. It only takes one newbie to make one mistake to ruin a day.

                        I am not advocating requiring it, but it's curious.

                        William

                        On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jessica E Baas <divinite@...>wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery authorization.
                        >
                        > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event only
                        > authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short practical to
                        > ensure archers are safe on the line.
                        >
                        > Christina
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@... <ice.tiger%40shaw.ca>>
                        > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                        >
                        > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually require target
                        > archers to be authorized and what does an archer have to do to be
                        > authorized?
                        > Dalton
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                        > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                        > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                        > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                        >
                        > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                        > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll have
                        > > to do
                        > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be able
                        > > to marshal. We only need to do
                        > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
                        > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
                        > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof of
                        > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                        > >
                        > > Christina
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                        > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                        > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                        > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                        > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and found
                        > > that
                        > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
                        > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                        > > marshals that
                        > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
                        > > make this
                        > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                        > > marshal and
                        > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring proof
                        > > of
                        > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                        > >
                        > > Jon, West
                        > >
                        > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
                        > > an
                        > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
                        > > be
                        > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
                        > > will be
                        > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
                        > > our
                        > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
                        > > as
                        > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
                        > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
                        > > Range
                        > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
                        > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
                        > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available prior
                        > > to
                        > > the tournament on Saturday."
                        > >
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                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Jessica E Baas
                        They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person shoot to make sure they re
                        Message 11 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                          They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.

                          The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW website and will be in the gate book as well.

                          Christina




                          ________________________________
                          From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:43:33 AM
                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                          Is there any way planed for those archers that can not be there until
                          Friday evening to authorize? It seems likely that there will be some
                          getting in too late to authorize by Friday. Not all archers are on
                          this list or have read the GWW archery rules on line. Therefore
                          there will be some that will not know about the deadline for
                          authorization at the war and it should not be their fault. I hope
                          that arrangements can be made for them so that they will not be
                          turned away.

                          Jon
                          On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                          > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                          > authorization.
                          >
                          > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event
                          > only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short
                          > practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                          >
                          > Christina




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                        • Jessica E Baas
                          We currently require a written test and an on range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment, etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line.
                          Message 12 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                            We currently require a written test and an on range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment, etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months), we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for those coming from out of kingdom.

                            And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many kingdoms we're up total now).

                            Christina




                            ________________________________
                            From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                            Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                            Dalton

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                            Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                            To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

                            > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                            > authorization.
                            > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single
                            > event only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and
                            > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                            >
                            > Christina
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ____________ _________ _________ __
                            > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                            > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                            > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                            >
                            >
                            > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually
                            > require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer
                            > have to do to be authorized?
                            > Dalton
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                            > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                            > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                            > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                            >
                            > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                            > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll
                            > have
                            > > to do
                            > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be
                            > able
                            > > to marshal. We only need to do
                            > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
                            > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
                            > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof
                            > of
                            > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                            > >
                            > > Christina
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                            > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                            > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                            > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                            > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                            > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and
                            > found
                            > > that
                            > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
                            > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                            > > marshals that
                            > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
                            > > make this
                            > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                            > > marshal and
                            > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring
                            > proof
                            > > of
                            > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                            > >
                            > > Jon, West
                            > >
                            > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
                            > > an
                            > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
                            > > be
                            > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
                            > > will be
                            > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
                            > > our
                            > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
                            > > as
                            > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
                            > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
                            > > Range
                            > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
                            > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
                            > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available
                            > prior
                            > > to
                            > > the tournament on Saturday."
                            > >
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                          • Terrance Timmons
                            In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment. so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not
                            Message 13 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                              In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment. so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)

                              Terrance of Granite Mountain
                              Atenveldt

                              PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have required authorizations


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Jessica E Baas
                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                              We currently require a written test and an on range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment, etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months), we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for those coming from out of kingdom.

                              And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many kingdoms we're up total now).

                              Christina

                              ________________________________
                              From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals

                              Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                              Dalton

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                              Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                              To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

                              > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                              > authorization.
                              > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single
                              > event only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and
                              > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                              >
                              > Christina
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ____________ _________ _________ __
                              > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                              > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                              > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                              > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                              >
                              >
                              > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms actually
                              > require target archers to be authorized and what does an archer
                              > have to do to be authorized?
                              > Dalton
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                              > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                              > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                              > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                              >
                              > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need to do an
                              > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one they'll
                              > have
                              > > to do
                              > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will not be
                              > able
                              > > to marshal. We only need to do
                              > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms do not
                              > > require authorization for target archery. Those from kingdoms
                              > > that do require authorization will just need to provide proof
                              > of
                              > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                              > >
                              > > Christina
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                              > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                              > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                              > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                              > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War and
                              > found
                              > > that
                              > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring proof of
                              > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                              > > marshals that
                              > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does not
                              > > make this
                              > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                              > > marshal and
                              > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not bring
                              > proof
                              > > of
                              > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                              > >
                              > > Jon, West
                              > >
                              > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations - Caid has
                              > > an
                              > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom. You must
                              > > be
                              > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in tournaments. We
                              > > will be
                              > > offering single event authorizations for GWW specifically for
                              > > our
                              > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to ensure that
                              > > as
                              > > many archers as possible will be able to participate in the
                              > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a visiting
                              > > Range
                              > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be conducting
                              > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range Marshal
                              > > availability pending. No authorizations will be available
                              > prior
                              > > to
                              > > the tournament on Saturday."
                              > >
                              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
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                            • ICE TIGER
                              Each bow weight? Isn t that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn t constitute
                              Message 14 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                Dalton

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

                                > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                >
                                > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                > Atenveldt
                                >
                                > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                > required authorizations
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Jessica E Baas
                                > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                >
                                >
                                > We currently require a written test and an on
                                > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                >
                                > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                >
                                > Christina
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                >
                                > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                > Dalton
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                >
                                > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                > archery
                                > > authorization.
                                > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                > single
                                > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                > questions and
                                > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                > >
                                > > Christina
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                > actually
                                > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                > an archer
                                > > have to do to be authorized?
                                > > Dalton
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                > >
                                > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                > to do an
                                > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                > they'll
                                > > have
                                > > > to do
                                > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                > not be
                                > > able
                                > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                > do not
                                > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                > kingdoms
                                > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                > provide proof
                                > > of
                                > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                > > >
                                > > > Christina
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                > and
                                > > found
                                > > > that
                                > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                > proof of
                                > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                > > > marshals that
                                > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                > not
                                > > > make this
                                > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                > > > marshal and
                                > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                > bring
                                > > proof
                                > > > of
                                > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                > > >
                                > > > Jon, West
                                > > >
                                > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                > Caid has
                                > > > an
                                > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                > You must
                                > > > be
                                > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                > tournaments. We
                                > > > will be
                                > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                > specifically for
                                > > > our
                                > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                > ensure that
                                > > > as
                                > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                > in the
                                > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                > visiting
                                > > > Range
                                > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                > conducting
                                > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                > Marshal
                                > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                > available
                                > > prior
                                > > > to
                                > > > the tournament on Saturday."
                                > > >
                                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > > >
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                              • John edgerton
                                What are the Sunday morning competitions? They are not listed in the schedule on the GWW website. Will the Sunday competitions be published in the gate book?
                                Message 15 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                  What are the Sunday morning competitions? They are not listed in the
                                  schedule on the GWW website. Will the Sunday competitions be
                                  published in the gate book?

                                  Jon


                                  On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                                  > They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in
                                  > order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person
                                  > shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do
                                  > this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western
                                  > Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to
                                  > authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.
                                  >
                                  > The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at
                                  > 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the
                                  > GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no
                                  > authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW
                                  > website and will be in the gate book as well.
                                  >
                                  > Christina
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                                  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:43:33 AM
                                  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                  >
                                  > Is there any way planed for those archers that can not be there until
                                  > Friday evening to authorize? It seems likely that there will be some
                                  > getting in too late to authorize by Friday. Not all archers are on
                                  > this list or have read the GWW archery rules on line. Therefore
                                  > there will be some that will not know about the deadline for
                                  > authorization at the war and it should not be their fault. I hope
                                  > that arrangements can be made for them so that they will not be
                                  > turned away.
                                  >
                                  > Jon
                                  > On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target archery
                                  > > authorization.
                                  > >
                                  > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short, single event
                                  > > only authorization. It will be three verbal questions and a short
                                  > > practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                  > >
                                  > > Christina
                                  >
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                                • Terrance Timmons
                                  We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change, but that is our standard at this time. no extra paperwork, it is noted on the back of
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                    We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change, but that is our standard at this time. no extra paperwork, it is noted on the back of the autho card, nothing submitted to kingdom.

                                    As to marshals, yes what you say is correct, but a new person needs a little more attention than a more experienced person, if you are marshalling correctly. hopefully there are enough marshalls to do some one on one with the new person, or 1 marshall to 2-3 new people. so I think what he was meaning (correct me if im wrong) is basically what you are stating, just in different terms. Most lines only have 1-2 marshals, as the others want to shoot as well.

                                    Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                    Atenveldt

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: ICE TIGER
                                    To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                    Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                    As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                    Dalton

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                    Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                    Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com

                                    > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                    > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                    > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                    > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                    > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                    > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                    >
                                    > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                    > Atenveldt
                                    >
                                    > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                    > required authorizations
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Jessica E Baas
                                    > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > We currently require a written test and an on
                                    > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                    > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                    > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                    > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                    > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                    > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                    > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                    >
                                    > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                    > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                    > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                    >
                                    > Christina
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                    > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    >
                                    > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                    > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                    > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                    > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                    > Dalton
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                    > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                    >
                                    > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                    > archery
                                    > > authorization.
                                    > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                    > single
                                    > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                    > questions and
                                    > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                    > >
                                    > > Christina
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                    > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                    > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                    > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                    > actually
                                    > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                    > an archer
                                    > > have to do to be authorized?
                                    > > Dalton
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                    > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                    > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > >
                                    > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                    > to do an
                                    > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                    > they'll
                                    > > have
                                    > > > to do
                                    > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                    > not be
                                    > > able
                                    > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                    > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                    > do not
                                    > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                    > kingdoms
                                    > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                    > provide proof
                                    > > of
                                    > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Christina
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                    > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                    > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                    > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                    > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                    > and
                                    > > found
                                    > > > that
                                    > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                    > proof of
                                    > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                    > > > marshals that
                                    > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                    > not
                                    > > > make this
                                    > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                    > > > marshal and
                                    > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                    > bring
                                    > > proof
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Jon, West
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                    > Caid has
                                    > > > an
                                    > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                    > You must
                                    > > > be
                                    > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                    > tournaments. We
                                    > > > will be
                                    > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                    > specifically for
                                    > > > our
                                    > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                    > ensure that
                                    > > > as
                                    > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                    > in the
                                    > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                    > visiting
                                    > > > Range
                                    > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                    > conducting
                                    > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                    > Marshal
                                    > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                    > available
                                    > > prior
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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                                  • C H
                                    for lack of ability to use big words or better ones,... agreed   completely.   as a marshal you should know all your own people, and know what they are
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                      for lack of ability to use big words or better ones,... agreed
                                       
                                      completely.
                                       
                                      as a marshal you should know all your own people, and know what they are capable of, and they should feel comfortable enough to come to you when they feel they are ready to graduate draw weights, or change bows. I know all mine come to me and discuss it... but I only have 30 archers to look after. maybe you guys have more....

                                      --- On Wed, 9/30/09, ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...> wrote:


                                      From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                      Received: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:02 PM


                                       



                                      Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                      As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                      Dalton

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@cableone. net>
                                      Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                      Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com

                                      > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                      > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                      > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                      > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                      > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                      > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                      >
                                      > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                      > Atenveldt
                                      >
                                      > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                      > required authorizations
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Jessica E Baas
                                      > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                      > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > We currently require a written test and an on
                                      > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                      > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                      > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                      > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                      > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                      > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                      > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                      >
                                      > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                      > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                      > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                      >
                                      > Christina
                                      >
                                      > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                      > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                      > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                      > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      >
                                      > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                      > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                      > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                      > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                      > Dalton
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                      > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                      > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >
                                      > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                      > archery
                                      > > authorization.
                                      > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                      > single
                                      > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                      > questions and
                                      > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                      > >
                                      > > Christina
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                      > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                      > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                      > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                      > actually
                                      > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                      > an archer
                                      > > have to do to be authorized?
                                      > > Dalton
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                      > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                      > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > >
                                      > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                      > to do an
                                      > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                      > they'll
                                      > > have
                                      > > > to do
                                      > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                      > not be
                                      > > able
                                      > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                      > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                      > do not
                                      > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                      > kingdoms
                                      > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                      > provide proof
                                      > > of
                                      > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Christina
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                      > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                      > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                      > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                      > and
                                      > > found
                                      > > > that
                                      > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                      > proof of
                                      > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                      > > > marshals that
                                      > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                      > not
                                      > > > make this
                                      > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                      > > > marshal and
                                      > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                      > bring
                                      > > proof
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Jon, West
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                      > Caid has
                                      > > > an
                                      > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                      > You must
                                      > > > be
                                      > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                      > tournaments. We
                                      > > > will be
                                      > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                      > specifically for
                                      > > > our
                                      > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                      > ensure that
                                      > > > as
                                      > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                      > in the
                                      > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                      > visiting
                                      > > > Range
                                      > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                      > conducting
                                      > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                      > Marshal
                                      > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                      > available
                                      > > prior
                                      > > > to
                                      > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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                                    • John edgerton
                                      Additional question. Are there any competitions planed Saturday after the Grandmasters is over? The archery schedule on the GWW site does not list any for
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                        Additional question.

                                        Are there any competitions planed Saturday after the Grandmasters is
                                        over? The archery schedule on the GWW site does not list any for
                                        then or Sunday.

                                        Jon

                                        On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                                        > They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in
                                        > order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person
                                        > shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do
                                        > this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western
                                        > Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to
                                        > authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.
                                        >
                                        > The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at
                                        > 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the
                                        > GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no
                                        > authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW
                                        > website and will be in the gate book as well.
                                        >
                                        > Christina
                                      • Carolus
                                        I had the same thought. And what is the breaking point, I have 33, 37,39, and 44 # bows. As a former kingdom archery officer, this just looks like a way to
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                          I had the same thought. And what is the breaking point, I have 33,
                                          37,39, and 44 # bows. As a former kingdom archery officer, this just
                                          looks like a way to waste marshals' time and discourage archers.
                                          Carolus

                                          ICE TIGER wrote:
                                          > Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                          >
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                                        • Jessica E Baas
                                          There are numerous novelties planned for Sunday morning. A balloon shoot, and two others called Horse Archery and Follow Me which I don t have full
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                            There are numerous novelties planned for Sunday morning. A balloon shoot, and two others called "Horse Archery" and "Follow Me" which I don't have full descriptions for. All have been promised to be lots of fun.

                                            There is not normally anything scheduled after the tournament on Saturday. It typically ends around 3pm and the range closes for the day at 4pm. By that time normally people are tired and want to get ready for Saturday nights activities. We will have a number of spare novelty targets around if there are range marshals who are still motivated to be on the range. 8-9 Royal Rounds can be quite trying. :)

                                            Christina




                                            ________________________________
                                            From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:14:07 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                            Additional question.

                                            Are there any competitions planed Saturday after the Grandmasters is
                                            over? The archery schedule on the GWW site does not list any for
                                            then or Sunday.

                                            Jon

                                            On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                                            > They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in
                                            > order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person
                                            > shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do
                                            > this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western
                                            > Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to
                                            > authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.
                                            >
                                            > The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at
                                            > 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the
                                            > GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no
                                            > authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW
                                            > website and will be in the gate book as well.
                                            >
                                            > Christina




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                                          • Jessica E Baas
                                            I agree with Carolus. We only authorize separately for handbow and crossbow. While the individual handbows have differences, the basic form is the same, no
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                              I agree with Carolus.

                                              We only authorize separately for handbow and crossbow. While the individual handbows have differences, the basic form is the same, no reason to authorize by weight. We also wouldn't want to put that much in the RMs bag (you're safe to use a 35lb bow, but not a 40lb bow - seems like a lot of subjective judgement there!).

                                              Christina




                                              ________________________________
                                              From: Carolus <eulenhorst@...>
                                              To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:21:30 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                              I had the same thought. And what is the breaking point, I have 33,
                                              37,39, and 44 # bows. As a former kingdom archery officer, this just
                                              looks like a way to waste marshals' time and discourage archers.
                                              Carolus

                                              ICE TIGER wrote:
                                              > Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                              >
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                                            • Terrance Timmons
                                              of course it is not seperate for a 30 to 32, but more than 10 lbs difference, If I remember the relevant passage correctly Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                of course it is not seperate for a 30 to 32, but more than 10 lbs difference, If I remember the relevant passage correctly

                                                Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                Atenveldt

                                                PS it is good form to state where you are from so we know what the standards are in that area. as it this a Society wide group, at least list kingdom so we know "where" you are talking about
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: Jessica E Baas
                                                To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:41 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                                I agree with Carolus.

                                                We only authorize separately for handbow and crossbow. While the individual handbows have differences, the basic form is the same, no reason to authorize by weight. We also wouldn't want to put that much in the RMs bag (you're safe to use a 35lb bow, but not a 40lb bow - seems like a lot of subjective judgement there!).

                                                Christina

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Carolus <eulenhorst@...>
                                                To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:21:30 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals

                                                I had the same thought. And what is the breaking point, I have 33,
                                                37,39, and 44 # bows. As a former kingdom archery officer, this just
                                                looks like a way to waste marshals' time and discourage archers.
                                                Carolus

                                                ICE TIGER wrote:
                                                > Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                                >
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                                              • John edgerton
                                                Thank you for the information. Will the novelty shots for Sunday be in the gate book so archers will know they are taking place? I thought there would be time
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                  Thank you for the information.

                                                  Will the novelty shots for Sunday be in the gate book so archers will
                                                  know they are taking place?

                                                  I thought there would be time after the Grandmasters on Saturday
                                                  because the GWW web site archery schedule does not show anything on
                                                  the range after 12:00 and the notes say 9:00 to 12:00 for the
                                                  tournament. This could cause problems for any archers that might
                                                  make commitments for after 12:00, because they thought the tournament
                                                  ended at noon.

                                                  Jon

                                                  On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                                                  > There are numerous novelties planned for Sunday morning. A balloon
                                                  > shoot, and two others called "Horse Archery" and "Follow Me" which
                                                  > I don't have full descriptions for. All have been promised to be
                                                  > lots of fun.
                                                  >
                                                  > There is not normally anything scheduled after the tournament on
                                                  > Saturday. It typically ends around 3pm and the range closes for the
                                                  > day at 4pm. By that time normally people are tired and want to get
                                                  > ready for Saturday nights activities. We will have a number of
                                                  > spare novelty targets around if there are range marshals who are
                                                  > still motivated to be on the range. 8-9 Royal Rounds can be quite
                                                  > trying. :)
                                                  >
                                                  > Christina
                                                  >
                                                  > ________________________________
                                                  > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                                                  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:14:07 AM
                                                  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                  >
                                                  > Additional question.
                                                  >
                                                  > Are there any competitions planed Saturday after the Grandmasters is
                                                  > over? The archery schedule on the GWW site does not list any for
                                                  > then or Sunday.
                                                  >
                                                  > Jon
                                                  >
                                                  > On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > > They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in
                                                  > > order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person
                                                  > > shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do
                                                  > > this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western
                                                  > > Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to
                                                  > > authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at
                                                  > > 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the
                                                  > > GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no
                                                  > > authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW
                                                  > > website and will be in the gate book as well.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Christina
                                                  >
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                                                • Jessica E Baas
                                                  The schedule should have said 9am - 3pm, that s what I sent in. It s double elimination, so very few people will be in the later rounds. The website was
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                    The schedule should have said 9am - 3pm, that's what I sent in. It's double elimination, so very few people will be in the later rounds. The website was supposed to be updated with revised information for both Sunday morning and Friday afternoon. Both times have novelties scheduled. I'll remind the webwrite to upload the revised information.

                                                    Christina




                                                    ________________________________
                                                    From: John edgerton <sirjon1@...>
                                                    To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:47:47 AM
                                                    Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                                    Thank you for the information.

                                                    Will the novelty shots for Sunday be in the gate book so archers will
                                                    know they are taking place?

                                                    I thought there would be time after the Grandmasters on Saturday
                                                    because the GWW web site archery schedule does not show anything on
                                                    the range after 12:00 and the notes say 9:00 to 12:00 for the
                                                    tournament. This could cause problems for any archers that might
                                                    make commitments for after 12:00, because they thought the tournament
                                                    ended at noon.

                                                    Jon

                                                    On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:

                                                    > There are numerous novelties planned for Sunday morning. A balloon
                                                    > shoot, and two others called "Horse Archery" and "Follow Me" which
                                                    > I don't have full descriptions for. All have been promised to be
                                                    > lots of fun.
                                                    >
                                                    > There is not normally anything scheduled after the tournament on
                                                    > Saturday. It typically ends around 3pm and the range closes for the
                                                    > day at 4pm. By that time normally people are tired and want to get
                                                    > ready for Saturday nights activities. We will have a number of
                                                    > spare novelty targets around if there are range marshals who are
                                                    > still motivated to be on the range. 8-9 Royal Rounds can be quite
                                                    > trying. :)
                                                    >
                                                    > Christina
                                                    >
                                                    > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                    > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                                    > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:14:07 AM
                                                    > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                    >
                                                    > Additional question.
                                                    >
                                                    > Are there any competitions planed Saturday after the Grandmasters is
                                                    > over? The archery schedule on the GWW site does not list any for
                                                    > then or Sunday.
                                                    >
                                                    > Jon
                                                    >
                                                    > On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Jessica E Baas wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > They will have to get to the range before sundown on Friday in
                                                    > > order to authorize. Since authorization requires watching a person
                                                    > > shoot to make sure they're safe, we need light to be able to do
                                                    > > this. They will not be able to compete in the Great Western
                                                    > > Championship Tournament on Saturday, but they will be able to
                                                    > > authorize and participate in the novelties Sunday morning.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > The Grandmasters starts promptly at 9am, lists close promptly at
                                                    > > 8:45am. List signups will be available Thursday and Friday for the
                                                    > > GWCT. Because of the early start time, there will be no
                                                    > > authorization Saturday morning. This is also published on the GWW
                                                    > > website and will be in the gate book as well.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Christina
                                                    >
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                                                  • Lee Reynolds
                                                    Terrance, I have to agree that it sounds like a way to generate more paperwork and drive away prospective archers. I m sure that s not the intent, but that is
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                      Terrance,

                                                      I have to agree that it sounds like a way to generate more paperwork
                                                      and drive away prospective archers. I'm sure that's not the intent,
                                                      but that is the way it feels.

                                                      So, as to authorization.. When is target archery practice, where a
                                                      beginning archer (me) might seek help with my equipment, and obtain
                                                      authorization? I've not seen anything about it in the Adenveldt
                                                      Tournaments Illuminated.. What of the Baronial championship the end of
                                                      this month? How long will it take to authorize to shoot that? From
                                                      what I've read of the current adenvelt's marshalls handbook, I don't
                                                      remember seeing anything in there about authorizations, or weights, or
                                                      weigh limits. Could you point me to online or local resources so I
                                                      can participate in Baronials and later for Estrella?


                                                      Thanks!
                                                      Lee
                                                      Adenveldt

                                                      On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...> wrote:
                                                      > We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change, but that is our standard at this time.  no extra paperwork, it is noted on the back of the autho card, nothing submitted to kingdom.
                                                      >
                                                      > As to marshals, yes what you say is correct, but a new person needs a little more attention than a more experienced person, if you are marshalling correctly.  hopefully there are enough marshalls to do some one on one with the new person, or 1 marshall to 2-3 new people.  so I think what he was meaning (correct me if im wrong) is basically what you are stating, just in different terms.  Most lines only have 1-2 marshals, as the others want to shoot as well.
                                                      >
                                                      > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                      > Atenveldt
                                                      >
                                                      >  ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >  From: ICE TIGER
                                                      >  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
                                                      >  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >    Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                                      >  As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                                      >  Dalton
                                                      >
                                                      >  ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >  From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                                      >  Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                                      >  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >
                                                      >  > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                                      >  > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                                      >  > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                                      >  > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                                      >  > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                                      >  > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                      >  > Atenveldt
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                                      >  > required authorizations
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >  > From: Jessica E Baas
                                                      >  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                                      >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > We currently require a written test and an on
                                                      >  > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                                      >  > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                                      >  > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                                      >  > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                                      >  > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                                      >  > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                                      >  > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                                      >  > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                                      >  > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > Christina
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > ________________________________
                                                      >  > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                                      >  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                      >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                                      >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                                      >  > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                                      >  > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                                      >  > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                                      >  > Dalton
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >  > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                                      >  > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                                      >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      >  >
                                                      >  > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                                      >  > archery
                                                      >  > > authorization.
                                                      >  > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                                      >  > single
                                                      >  > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                                      >  > questions and
                                                      >  > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > > Christina
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                      >  > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                                      >  > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      >  > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                                      >  > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                                      >  > actually
                                                      >  > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                                      >  > an archer
                                                      >  > > have to do to be authorized?
                                                      >  > > Dalton
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                      >  > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                      >  > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                                      >  > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      >  > >
                                                      >  > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                                      >  > to do an
                                                      >  > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                                      >  > they'll
                                                      >  > > have
                                                      >  > > > to do
                                                      >  > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                                      >  > not be
                                                      >  > > able
                                                      >  > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                                      >  > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                                      >  > do not
                                                      >  > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                                      >  > kingdoms
                                                      >  > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                                      >  > provide proof
                                                      >  > > of
                                                      >  > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > > Christina
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                      >  > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                                      >  > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      >  > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                      >  > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                                      >  > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                                      >  > and
                                                      >  > > found
                                                      >  > > > that
                                                      >  > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                                      >  > proof of
                                                      >  > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                                      >  > > > marshals that
                                                      >  > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                                      >  > not
                                                      >  > > > make this
                                                      >  > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                                      >  > > > marshal and
                                                      >  > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                                      >  > bring
                                                      >  > > proof
                                                      >  > > > of
                                                      >  > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > > Jon, West
                                                      >  > > >
                                                      >  > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                                      >  > Caid has
                                                      >  > > > an
                                                      >  > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                                      >  > You must
                                                      >  > > > be
                                                      >  > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                                      >  > tournaments. We
                                                      >  > > > will be
                                                      >  > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                                      >  > specifically for
                                                      >  > > > our
                                                      >  > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                                      >  > ensure that
                                                      >  > > > as
                                                      >  > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                                      >  > in the
                                                      >  > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                                      >  > visiting
                                                      >  > > > Range
                                                      >  > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                                      >  > conducting
                                                      >  > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                                      >  > Marshal
                                                      >  > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                                      >  > available
                                                      >  > > prior
                                                      >  > > > to
                                                      >  > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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                                                    • Terrance Timmons
                                                      Here is a link to Atenveldts TA rules. Like I said, there is no additional paperwork. the archer just proves to an authorizing marshall that they can use it
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                        Here is a link to Atenveldts TA rules. Like I said, there is no additional paperwork. the archer just proves to an authorizing marshall that they can use it safely for themselves and others, and he puts it on their autho card.

                                                        http://www.atenveldt.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=EB1tSfvBJ-0%3d&tabid=82&mid=1396

                                                        What area are you in? Im in the Shire of Granite Mountain (prescott area). there is archery in PHX every Fri night and Every Sunday Morning, baring conflicting events. I have practiced with the Barony of Sun Dragon, nice site. Dont know Where the Barony of Atenveldt practices though. contact the Archery Captain for your local group, or go to the Groups web site for more info.


                                                        Terrance
                                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                                        From: Lee Reynolds
                                                        To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:40 PM
                                                        Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                                        Terrance,

                                                        I have to agree that it sounds like a way to generate more paperwork
                                                        and drive away prospective archers. I'm sure that's not the intent,
                                                        but that is the way it feels.

                                                        So, as to authorization.. When is target archery practice, where a
                                                        beginning archer (me) might seek help with my equipment, and obtain
                                                        authorization? I've not seen anything about it in the Adenveldt
                                                        Tournaments Illuminated.. What of the Baronial championship the end of
                                                        this month? How long will it take to authorize to shoot that? From
                                                        what I've read of the current adenvelt's marshalls handbook, I don't
                                                        remember seeing anything in there about authorizations, or weights, or
                                                        weigh limits. Could you point me to online or local resources so I
                                                        can participate in Baronials and later for Estrella?

                                                        Thanks!
                                                        Lee
                                                        Adenveldt

                                                        On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...> wrote:
                                                        > We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change, but that is our standard at this time. no extra paperwork, it is noted on the back of the autho card, nothing submitted to kingdom.
                                                        >
                                                        > As to marshals, yes what you say is correct, but a new person needs a little more attention than a more experienced person, if you are marshalling correctly. hopefully there are enough marshalls to do some one on one with the new person, or 1 marshall to 2-3 new people. so I think what he was meaning (correct me if im wrong) is basically what you are stating, just in different terms. Most lines only have 1-2 marshals, as the others want to shoot as well.
                                                        >
                                                        > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                        > Atenveldt
                                                        >
                                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > From: ICE TIGER
                                                        > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
                                                        > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                                        > As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                                        > Dalton
                                                        >
                                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                                        > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                                        > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                        >
                                                        > > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                                        > > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                                        > > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                                        > > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                                        > > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                                        > > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                        > > Atenveldt
                                                        > >
                                                        > > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                                        > > required authorizations
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > > From: Jessica E Baas
                                                        > > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > We currently require a written test and an on
                                                        > > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                                        > > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                                        > > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                                        > > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                                        > > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                                        > > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                                        > > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                                        > > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                                        > > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Christina
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ________________________________
                                                        > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                                        > > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                                        > > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                                        > > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                                        > > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                                        > > Dalton
                                                        > >
                                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                                        > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                        > >
                                                        > > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                                        > > archery
                                                        > > > authorization.
                                                        > > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                                        > > single
                                                        > > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                                        > > questions and
                                                        > > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Christina
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                        > > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                                        > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                        > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                                        > > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                                        > > actually
                                                        > > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                                        > > an archer
                                                        > > > have to do to be authorized?
                                                        > > > Dalton
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                        > > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                                        > > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                                        > > to do an
                                                        > > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                                        > > they'll
                                                        > > > have
                                                        > > > > to do
                                                        > > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                                        > > not be
                                                        > > > able
                                                        > > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                                        > > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                                        > > do not
                                                        > > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                                        > > kingdoms
                                                        > > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                                        > > provide proof
                                                        > > > of
                                                        > > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Christina
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                        > > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                                        > > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                        > > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                                        > > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                                        > > and
                                                        > > > found
                                                        > > > > that
                                                        > > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                                        > > proof of
                                                        > > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                                        > > > > marshals that
                                                        > > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                                        > > not
                                                        > > > > make this
                                                        > > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                                        > > > > marshal and
                                                        > > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                                        > > bring
                                                        > > > proof
                                                        > > > > of
                                                        > > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Jon, West
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                                        > > Caid has
                                                        > > > > an
                                                        > > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                                        > > You must
                                                        > > > > be
                                                        > > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                                        > > tournaments. We
                                                        > > > > will be
                                                        > > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                                        > > specifically for
                                                        > > > > our
                                                        > > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                                        > > ensure that
                                                        > > > > as
                                                        > > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                                        > > in the
                                                        > > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                                        > > visiting
                                                        > > > > Range
                                                        > > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                                        > > conducting
                                                        > > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                                        > > Marshal
                                                        > > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                                        > > available
                                                        > > > prior
                                                        > > > > to
                                                        > > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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                                                      • Mike Boultinghouse
                                                        My Lords and Ladies,   I feal I must add something else to the problems at hand.  I m Michael of Boulton from the Northern land area of Caid, the Barony of
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                          My Lords and Ladies,
                                                           
                                                          I feal I must add something else to the problems at hand.  I'm Michael of Boulton from the Northern land area of Caid, the Barony of Nordwache.  I'm not only a Archery Senior Range Marshal, but also a Thrown Weapons Senior Range Marshal and any one wanting to compete in the TW's events at GWW, must also become authorized.  Something more to think about.
                                                           
                                                          In service,
                                                           
                                                          Michael of Boulton

                                                          --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...> wrote:


                                                          From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                                          Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                          To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                          Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:45 PM


                                                          Here is a link to Atenveldts TA rules.  Like I said, there is no additional paperwork.  the archer just proves to an authorizing marshall that they can use it safely for themselves and others, and he puts it on their autho card.

                                                          http://www.atenveldt.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=EB1tSfvBJ-0%3d&tabid=82&mid=1396

                                                          What area are you in?  Im in the Shire of Granite Mountain (prescott area).  there is archery in PHX every Fri night and Every Sunday Morning, baring conflicting events.  I have practiced with the Barony of Sun Dragon, nice site.  Dont know Where the Barony of Atenveldt practices though.  contact the Archery Captain for your local group, or go to the Groups web site for more info.


                                                          Terrance
                                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                                            From: Lee Reynolds
                                                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:40 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals


                                                              Terrance,

                                                            I have to agree that it sounds like a way to generate more paperwork
                                                            and drive away prospective archers. I'm sure that's not the intent,
                                                            but that is the way it feels.

                                                            So, as to authorization.. When is target archery practice, where a
                                                            beginning archer (me) might seek help with my equipment, and obtain
                                                            authorization? I've not seen anything about it in the Adenveldt
                                                            Tournaments Illuminated.. What of the Baronial championship the end of
                                                            this month? How long will it take to authorize to shoot that? From
                                                            what I've read of the current adenvelt's marshalls handbook, I don't
                                                            remember seeing anything in there about authorizations, or weights, or
                                                            weigh limits. Could you point me to online or local resources so I
                                                            can participate in Baronials and later for Estrella?

                                                            Thanks!
                                                            Lee
                                                            Adenveldt

                                                            On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...> wrote:
                                                            > We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change, but that is our standard at this time.  no extra paperwork, it is noted on the back of the autho card, nothing submitted to kingdom.
                                                            >
                                                            > As to marshals, yes what you say is correct, but a new person needs a little more attention than a more experienced person, if you are marshalling correctly.  hopefully there are enough marshalls to do some one on one with the new person, or 1 marshall to 2-3 new people.  so I think what he was meaning (correct me if im wrong) is basically what you are stating, just in different terms.  Most lines only have 1-2 marshals, as the others want to shoot as well.
                                                            >
                                                            > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                            > Atenveldt
                                                            >
                                                            >  ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >  From: ICE TIGER
                                                            >  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
                                                            >  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >    Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork. Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                                            >  As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                                            >  Dalton
                                                            >
                                                            >  ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >  From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...>
                                                            >  Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                                            >  Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >
                                                            >  > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                                            >  > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                                            >  > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                                            >  > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                                            >  > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                                            >  > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                            >  > Atenveldt
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                                            >  > required authorizations
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >  > From: Jessica E Baas
                                                            >  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                                            >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > We currently require a written test and an on
                                                            >  > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                                            >  > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                                            >  > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                                            >  > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                                            >  > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                                            >  > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                                            >  > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                                            >  > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                                            >  > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > Christina
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > ________________________________
                                                            >  > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@...>
                                                            >  > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                                            >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                                            >  > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                                            >  > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                                            >  > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                                            >  > Dalton
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >  > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                                            >  > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                                            >  > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            >  >
                                                            >  > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                                            >  > archery
                                                            >  > > authorization.
                                                            >  > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                                            >  > single
                                                            >  > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                                            >  > questions and
                                                            >  > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > > Christina
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                            >  > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                                            >  > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            >  > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                                            >  > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                                            >  > actually
                                                            >  > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                                            >  > an archer
                                                            >  > > have to do to be authorized?
                                                            >  > > Dalton
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            >  > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                            >  > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                                            >  > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            >  > >
                                                            >  > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                                            >  > to do an
                                                            >  > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                                            >  > they'll
                                                            >  > > have
                                                            >  > > > to do
                                                            >  > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                                            >  > not be
                                                            >  > > able
                                                            >  > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                                            >  > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                                            >  > do not
                                                            >  > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                                            >  > kingdoms
                                                            >  > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                                            >  > provide proof
                                                            >  > > of
                                                            >  > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > > Christina
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                            >  > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                                            >  > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            >  > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                            >  > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                                            >  > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                                            >  > and
                                                            >  > > found
                                                            >  > > > that
                                                            >  > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                                            >  > proof of
                                                            >  > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                                            >  > > > marshals that
                                                            >  > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                                            >  > not
                                                            >  > > > make this
                                                            >  > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                                            >  > > > marshal and
                                                            >  > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                                            >  > bring
                                                            >  > > proof
                                                            >  > > > of
                                                            >  > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > > Jon, West
                                                            >  > > >
                                                            >  > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                                            >  > Caid has
                                                            >  > > > an
                                                            >  > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                                            >  > You must
                                                            >  > > > be
                                                            >  > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                                            >  > tournaments. We
                                                            >  > > > will be
                                                            >  > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                                            >  > specifically for
                                                            >  > > > our
                                                            >  > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                                            >  > ensure that
                                                            >  > > > as
                                                            >  > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                                            >  > in the
                                                            >  > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                                            >  > visiting
                                                            >  > > > Range
                                                            >  > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                                            >  > conducting
                                                            >  > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                                            >  > Marshal
                                                            >  > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                                            >  > available
                                                            >  > > prior
                                                            >  > > > to
                                                            >  > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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                                                          Greetings to all on the List, Lee, Both The Baronies of Atenveldt and Sun Dragon are held at the same park at the same time. We simple trade off each month as
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Sep 30, 2009
                                                            Greetings to all on the List,



                                                            Lee,



                                                            Both The Baronies of Atenveldt and Sun Dragon are held at the same park at
                                                            the same time. We simple trade off each month as to who is holding the
                                                            monthly tourney.



                                                            We do have a Sun Dragon Yahoo Archery List as well. You are most welcome to
                                                            join us on that list. I've not found one for Atenveldt as of yet.



                                                            Terrance is correct on the other issue.



                                                            Barony of Sun Dragon Crossbowmen

                                                            Starr



                                                            Viking in training, still learning which end of the crossbow bolt points at
                                                            the target.



                                                            From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                            Behalf Of Terrance Timmons
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:46 PM
                                                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals





                                                            Here is a link to Atenveldts TA rules. Like I said, there is no additional
                                                            paperwork. the archer just proves to an authorizing marshall that they can
                                                            use it safely for themselves and others, and he puts it on their autho card.

                                                            http://www.atenveldt.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=EB1tSfvBJ-0%3d
                                                            <http://www.atenveldt.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=EB1tSfvBJ-0%3d&tabid=82&
                                                            mid=1396> &tabid=82&mid=1396

                                                            What area are you in? Im in the Shire of Granite Mountain (prescott area).
                                                            there is archery in PHX every Fri night and Every Sunday Morning, baring
                                                            conflicting events. I have practiced with the Barony of Sun Dragon, nice
                                                            site. Dont know Where the Barony of Atenveldt practices though. contact the
                                                            Archery Captain for your local group, or go to the Groups web site for more
                                                            info.

                                                            Terrance
                                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                                            From: Lee Reynolds
                                                            To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                            Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:40 PM
                                                            Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals

                                                            Terrance,

                                                            I have to agree that it sounds like a way to generate more paperwork
                                                            and drive away prospective archers. I'm sure that's not the intent,
                                                            but that is the way it feels.

                                                            So, as to authorization.. When is target archery practice, where a
                                                            beginning archer (me) might seek help with my equipment, and obtain
                                                            authorization? I've not seen anything about it in the Adenveldt
                                                            Tournaments Illuminated.. What of the Baronial championship the end of
                                                            this month? How long will it take to authorize to shoot that? From
                                                            what I've read of the current adenvelt's marshalls handbook, I don't
                                                            remember seeing anything in there about authorizations, or weights, or
                                                            weigh limits. Could you point me to online or local resources so I
                                                            can participate in Baronials and later for Estrella?

                                                            Thanks!
                                                            Lee
                                                            Adenveldt

                                                            On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Terrance Timmons <TerryT@...
                                                            <mailto:TerryT%40cableone.net> > wrote:
                                                            > We are in the process of refining the rules, again, so it might change,
                                                            but that is our standard at this time. no extra paperwork, it is noted on
                                                            the back of the autho card, nothing submitted to kingdom.
                                                            >
                                                            > As to marshals, yes what you say is correct, but a new person needs a
                                                            little more attention than a more experienced person, if you are marshalling
                                                            correctly. hopefully there are enough marshalls to do some one on one with
                                                            the new person, or 1 marshall to 2-3 new people. so I think what he was
                                                            meaning (correct me if im wrong) is basically what you are stating, just in
                                                            different terms. Most lines only have 1-2 marshals, as the others want to
                                                            shoot as well.
                                                            >
                                                            > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                            > Atenveldt
                                                            >
                                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > From: ICE TIGER
                                                            > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                            > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:02 AM
                                                            > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > Each bow weight? Isn't that a bit excessive? I mean fine, a person might
                                                            shake a bit with a heavier bow but unless it is really severe that doesn't
                                                            constitute dangerous, just inaccurate. It just generates extra paperwork.
                                                            Personally I don't really see the need for authorizations but then I shoot
                                                            on mundane compound lines as well and there is no authorizations or
                                                            demonstration of skill required so I guess I 'm just used to it that way.
                                                            > As for marshals not being able to watch what is going on as William
                                                            suggests I have a comment. The marshal should not oversee more people than
                                                            they can handle on a line. Either cut down the number of people on the line
                                                            or get more marshals or other archers to assist. It is your job to watch the
                                                            archers and spot if someone is unsafe.
                                                            > Dalton
                                                            >
                                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > From: Terrance Timmons <TerryT@... <mailto:TerryT%40cableone.net>
                                                            >
                                                            > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:50 am
                                                            > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                            >
                                                            > > In Atenveldt it is a written test, then hands on with a
                                                            > > verbal. we authorize by draw weight and equipment.
                                                            > > so being authorized for a 30lb handbow does not authorize you
                                                            > > for a 40 lb handbow or a 30lb crossbow. each item is
                                                            > > supposed to be authorized (with the handson only part of the
                                                            > > autorization if they are already authorized on one type of equipment)
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Terrance of Granite Mountain
                                                            > > Atenveldt
                                                            > >
                                                            > > PS we are at 19 kingdoms, so that means at least 13 have
                                                            > > required authorizations
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > > From: Jessica E Baas
                                                            > > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                            > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:38 AM
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > We currently require a written test and an on
                                                            > > range safety test (static and speed ends, setup your equipment,
                                                            > > etc) that shows an archer is safe on the line. With the next
                                                            > > version of our handbook (hopefully within the next 2 months),
                                                            > > we'll be moving to a format closer to what Caid's heavy weapons
                                                            > > and rapier formats use - a closed book, 6 question verbal test
                                                            > > with a practical on range. The new format will appear at GWW for
                                                            > > those coming from out of kingdom.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > And for the other part, if 6 kingdoms do not require TA
                                                            > > authorization, that means 11 do (or 12 maybe? I forget how many
                                                            > > kingdoms we're up total now).
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Christina
                                                            > >
                                                            > > ________________________________
                                                            > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@... <mailto:ice.tiger%40shaw.ca> >
                                                            > > To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                            > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:30:59 AM
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Let me rephrase the second part of the question. What
                                                            > > does an archer have to do to authorize in the Kingdom's that
                                                            > > require it? I'm looking for the actual requirements for
                                                            > > discussion purposes. Anybody know?
                                                            > > Dalton
                                                            > >
                                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal. net>
                                                            > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:28 am
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > >
                                                            > > > IIRC there are about 8 kingdoms that require target
                                                            > > archery
                                                            > > > authorization.
                                                            > > > For GWW out of kingdom authorization will be a short,
                                                            > > single
                                                            > > > event only authorization. It will be three verbal
                                                            > > questions and
                                                            > > > a short practical to ensure archers are safe on the line.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Christina
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                            > > > From: ICE TIGER <ice.tiger@shaw. ca>
                                                            > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:59:32 AM
                                                            > > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Just for the sake of curiousity how many Kingdoms
                                                            > > actually
                                                            > > > require target archers to be authorized and what does
                                                            > > an archer
                                                            > > > have to do to be authorized?
                                                            > > > Dalton
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                            > > > From: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                            > > > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 am
                                                            > > > Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > > If they have their proof of warrant they won't need
                                                            > > to do an
                                                            > > > > authorization. If they're an RM and don't bring one
                                                            > > they'll
                                                            > > > have
                                                            > > > > to do
                                                            > > > > a short authorization to be able to compete and will
                                                            > > not be
                                                            > > > able
                                                            > > > > to marshal. We only need to do
                                                            > > > > authorizations for those archers whose home kingdoms
                                                            > > do not
                                                            > > > > require authorization for target archery. Those from
                                                            > > kingdoms
                                                            > > > > that do require authorization will just need to
                                                            > > provide proof
                                                            > > > of
                                                            > > > > authorization as they would in their home kingdom.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > Christina
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
                                                            > > > > From: John edgerton <sirjon1@pacbell. net>
                                                            > > > > To: SCA-Archery@ yahoogroups. com
                                                            > > > > Cc: Jessica E Baas <divinite@sbcglobal . net>
                                                            > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46:02 PM
                                                            > > > > Subject: [SCA-Archery] GWW range marshals
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I was reading the archery rules for Great Western War
                                                            > > and
                                                            > > > found
                                                            > > > > that
                                                            > > > > "If you are a visiting Range Marshal, please bring
                                                            > > proof of
                                                            > > > > warrant." I suppose that is in case of visiting range
                                                            > > > > marshals that
                                                            > > > > want to help marshal on the range. However, it does
                                                            > > not
                                                            > > > > make this
                                                            > > > > clear. So, if a visiting archer that is also a range
                                                            > > > > marshal and
                                                            > > > > does not plan to help marshal on the range does not
                                                            > > bring
                                                            > > > proof
                                                            > > > > of
                                                            > > > > warrant and plans to shoot, what, if anything, happens?
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > Jon, West
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > "Special Notice about Target Archery Authorizations -
                                                            > > Caid has
                                                            > > > > an
                                                            > > > > authorization process for all archers in the Kingdom.
                                                            > > You must
                                                            > > > > be
                                                            > > > > authorized in Caid in order to participate in
                                                            > > tournaments. We
                                                            > > > > will be
                                                            > > > > offering single event authorizations for GWW
                                                            > > specifically for
                                                            > > > > our
                                                            > > > > visitors from other Kingdoms. We are doing this to
                                                            > > ensure that
                                                            > > > > as
                                                            > > > > many archers as possible will be able to participate
                                                            > > in the
                                                            > > > > festivities on the target range at GWW. If you are a
                                                            > > visiting
                                                            > > > > Range
                                                            > > > > Marshal, please bring proof of warrant. We will be
                                                            > > conducting
                                                            > > > > authorizations on both Thursday and Friday, Range
                                                            > > Marshal
                                                            > > > > availability pending. No authorizations will be
                                                            > > available
                                                            > > > prior
                                                            > > > > to
                                                            > > > > the tournament on Saturday."
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