Re: [Calontam] Go/No-Go Judgement Call. How would you decide.
- --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, 'Merry' Toirdhealbhach Mirywoder
Lutre <Merry@...> wrote:
>"Honoring those who improve the species...by accidentally removing
> a candidate for the Darwin Award.
themselves from it!"
If he shoots himself with an arrow, yeah - Darwin Award.
If *you* shoot him because he wandered onto your unsafe range and
surprised you - murder.
Truth be told, the fence bothers me more than the fishermen.
Since you said the range is closing soon, I'm going to shut up and
ignore any more posts about this range. I hope passersby stay
unpunctured and you stay unjailed.
- It's ironic to me that you are saying pretty much exactly what I felt
when the batting cage foundations began to be dug. I never liked the
back fence but hadn't given it a lot of thought, but when they proposed
putting the fence on the side to 'remedy' the danger created by putting
the batting cages there it gave me cause to think how much I disliked
and was uncomfortable with the back fence for the same reasons you've
stated. I said exactly that at the CAA meetings and in discussions with
others and I stopped shooting there myself for a while. When the range
was pronounced safe by a qualified inspector I pretty much deferred to
that person's expertise as having more sense than the uneasy feelings in
my gut. I resumed shooting there and I'm a little ashamed to admit
stopped giving it a lot of thought until recently. There has never
been an incident in the couple years since the wall was put up along the
side and while lack of incident does not mean safety, I've let that
relax me about the issue, and I still think the expert may be correct.
I've always been a little more uptight about some things than others and
have basically taken it over time that I am perhaps _over_ cautious and
that the positions of others show more _sense_, and I still think that
is the case. I think the range is probably reasonably safe and
certainly is setup in a way that the city (et al) is able to satisfy
their insurance underwriters (I understand they insure themselves, but
they still answer to other people who have actuary tables and other
things that can decertify their insurance if they don't agree with their
judgment). From that respect, the range is legal and archers and the
city are fairly protected from liability unless they were acting in a
blatantly dangerous fashion.
I've always hated going behind that wall to retrieve arrows, and am
grateful that I have not put one back there in many years and few if any
of even our newest archers ever puts one back there. We post a spotter,
you may be certain, to hold the range while someone is behind, but it
still clenches my gut to realize that I'm there in no-man's-land and not
visible from the line.
For those discussing ranges, I think the picture I posted with the post
is fairly explicit
http://bramblethorne.org/NonAttachments/CAALayout.png Crummy yes, and
possibly not entirely to scale, but the target locations and distances
are marked. The image was made a couple of years ago when they broke
ground on the cages and I think I've drawn the cages perhaps 10 yards
too close in the drawing, but not with intent of being misleading.
I've said in other posts that there are signs posted but there's been
several suggestions of posting signs. I'll be more explicit. There
are several orange signs on white pvc posts IIRC at the far end and
behind the range. I think there are signs on the fences and I think
there may be signs along the approach the Prius took to the place he
parked (pretty much between the words "Brush & Trees" and the trees in
the drawing I think). He certainly was able to see them from where he
was and chose to ignore them. I'll have to check but I don't believe
they included any 'official' things like city ordinance numbers or
similar as I don't believe there's any city ordinances that apply.
To the best of my knowledge, regardless of what the photos might imply,
once he was in place to fish, he was well out of the danger zone of any
rules SCA, Kingdom, or otherwise that I know of, though his vehicle was not.
Our powers that be made the right call and I was trying to imply that
w/o actually saying what call was made and hoping to get feedback from
other archers. I ask hypothetical questions from time to time in this
field and in others and I thought the opportunity of a 'real'
hypothetical was too good to pass up. It certainly has generated
traffic and I'd like to believe that others have found the discussion as
interesting as I have. As you all have seen, there are many different
opinions on the situation. I have absolute faith in the decision making
abilities of those who actually did make the decision in the real-life
situation. I won't say who it was, but an earthy person of my
acquaintance made me familiar with a phrase at dinner after the event
that I don't think I've ever heard before... "Opinions are like ____,
Everybody's got one."
> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, 'Merry' Toirdhealbhach Mirywoder--
> Lutre <Merry@...> wrote:
>> a candidate for the Darwin Award.
> "Honoring those who improve the species...by accidentally removing
> themselves from it!"
> If he shoots himself with an arrow, yeah - Darwin Award.
> If *you* shoot him because he wandered onto your unsafe range and
> surprised you - murder.
> Truth be told, the fence bothers me more than the fishermen.
> Since you said the range is closing soon, I'm going to shut up and
> ignore any more posts about this range. I hope passersby stay
> unpunctured and you stay unjailed.
'Merry' Toirdhealbhach Mirywoder Lutre
Shire of Standing Stones; Formerly: Philippe Sebastian LeLutre
Christian M. Cepel --- 573.999.2370 --- Columbia, MO
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'Toirdhealbhach' anglicized Tirloughe (1576), modernly 'Turlough',
pronounced 'TIR' or 'TUR' + 'low', 'logh', 'lock', or 'loch'
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