Re: Judging distance
- George, you know that I respect you as an archer and all (at least I
hope that you know this), and I know I most likely won't be endearing
myself to anybody (well, hardly anybody) with this, yet it needs to
be said. So, here goes...
This has been a discussion on range-finding implements, both modern
and not-so-modern (optical or otherwise). Just replace "range-
finders" with "modern recurve bows/longbows".... Just remember, even
though SCA rules do not expressly forbid the use of modern-design
Traditional bows (especially take-down bows), they do not "add to the
realism involved with researching or reenacting our period" -- since
Dacron, fibre-glass and "action wood" were not known in the Middle
I personally do not like to see anyone using brightly-painted shafts
while portraying a Norse persona, since it seems such a shaft would
only serve to alert the "victim" (target) of its imminent fate, yet I
would still allow the use of such brightly-painted shafts if I were
the line-Marshal; some folks simply like their shafts to be
personalized in such a way which is so very non-period in nature.
What rankles is the blanket exclusion of something simply because the
person "in charge" doesn't like it -- not because the rules forbid
Now, if the shoot were to have rules expressly forbidding the use of
(modern) range-finding devices, including anything incorporating a
magnifying lens of any kind (excluding, of course, prescription eye-
glasses) and/or ranging marks on the bow....
Also, the statement that range-finders "would not have been available
to archer in period": Just what documentation is there to show that
they were not available to archers "in period"? This question is not
lightly asked, nor is it asked sarcastically; there are people who
really want to know.
Just my fourteen cents (adjusted for inflation).
--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Oakes, George" <goakes@...>
> As a Ranger at Large in Trimaris,
> I would not allow such a device as it has no reference or would not
> been available to archer in period. While the rules do not expresslyrealism
> forbid it, I still would not allow it as it does not add to the
> involved with researching or reenacting our period.Archery@yahoogroups.com]
> just my two cents, other rangers may agree or disagree, and that is
> there place to do so.
> Ranger Gavin
> From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-
> On Behalf Of Lord Godwin FitzGilbert de Strigoilmodern
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:50 PM
> To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: Judging distance
> Any opinions on the use of optical range finders or other less
> equipment to judge unknown distances at SCA competitions? Their use
> is not expressly forbidden by SCA rules.
> Yep, strong opinion:
> NO, not allowed.
> I don't even like the marking of bow limbs. :|
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- Yes, a marshal or event steward can ban sights or anything else for a
particular event or shoot even if otherwise allowed by society and
kingdom rules. Just as a tourney may be made great weapons only,
hits above the waist only, or any other special rule. I have seen
and run events that were "period" equipment only - bring your
fiberglas and be a spectator.
At 08:07 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:
> > First, I don't remember if "electronic range finders" were--
> > specified by yourself or not (I don't think they were), but I do
> > know that I was refering to "generic range finders"
> > anything/everything which could possibly be used as a range finder -
> > including bows). Since a bow can be used as a range finder (limb
> > tips have a known length/width/etc, as do risers), I must assume
> > that any edict banning "range finders" from use in unknown distance
> > shoots includes bows...
>The first to mention electronic range finders was Sir Jon.
>Here is the question I pose. If any kind of "range finders" are
>going to be banned, what are you going to do with those marshals who
>help setup or those already familar with the range?
>I know of one kingdom archery championship where the actual shoot
>being done was kept quiet from the archers and the marshal running
>the shoot won the event. Kind of unfair if you ask me. That's
>definitely more unfair that somebody any kind of period tool to
> > That is why I feel that the use of **some form** of non-modern
> > range finding device should be allowed, unless it is SPECIFICALLY
> > discouraged for a particular competition.
>But how are you going to do that? Crossbows are permitted to have
>rear sights and with a simple peep site compared to a horizon one can
>determine distance. You mean a marshal can ban sights when they are
>permitted under SCA and a kingdom rules?
>If something was done in period (provided it's safe for the event)
>then it should be permitted. No banning of period sighting
>techniques used even if they were frowned upon by Roger Ascham. No
>banning of period sights.
>There are plenty of these types of rules I've seen that are rather
>bogus. If I want to come to an event with 20 different types of
>arrows and use the type of arrow which best suits a type of shoot
>that should be allowed. I certainly don't want to use my IKAC bolts
>to shoot a clout or anything that will damage my bolts. If one
>wanted to change from one type of a bow to another during a
>competition that should also be allow as it takes more effort to
>master two types of weaponry that one.
>Comes down to what are people afraid of?
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