Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Bowyer's knot frequency
- When John Atkins put fingers to keys it was 3/28/08 5:51 PM...
> I have not seen a bowyer's knot on strings here in Atlantia. However, II just poked through The Ashley Book of Knots and strangely there is no
> made a string specially with a bowyers knot as a test for potential
> marshals in my Marshal 101 class. Quite frankly, the timber hitch,
> which is the bowyer's knot, tied correctly will easily hold on a bow
> string. The issue is correctly tied. It would behoove most
> marshals/rangers to learn the knot and be able to recognize it on sight.
> Most importantly, a correctly tied bowyers knot/timber hitch.
"Bowyer's Knot" mentioned. He has something he calls a "Bowstring Knot"
that I have to play with a bit, the diagram doesn't make it look like it
would work, but drawn up tight it might be fine.
His closing observation about the timber hitch is that "The turns should
be 'dogged' _with_the_lay_ of the rope. Three turns or tucks are ample."
The illustration doesn't show the lay of the rope, so I'm still not sure
what he means. I have always tied it so that the tucks look like a
two-ply rope and it has held well for me in hemp, linen, and dacron.
I once had a commercial bow whose nock geometry was such that a two-tuck
hitch held well and a three tuck hitch slipped. Go figure.
I also add in a 50% reinforcement to the string in the area where the
hitch is to be tied. I've had strings break, but never at the knot, and
never at draw.
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- I most assuredly would allow the timber hitch on my shooting line. All you have
to do is monitor the brace height from when the bow was first braced to see if it
slips. I doubt seriously it will... nature of the knot.
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- Although I typically go with loops on both ends of the Flemish
strings I make and use. As an Atlantian marshal, I have nothing
against the Bowyer's Knot and would have no problem with it on my
range, provided it is tied correctly.
Professionally, I've used this knot for lifting heavy objects to
great heights and have never known it to fail providing the rope was
in good condition. The harder you pull against it, the tighter it
holds. I've literally bet my life on the security of this knot.
- I sell all my bowstrings as 1 loop and a knot. Done right it is perfectly
fine, done wrong well It will quickly need to be done right.
I am in the east kingdom and have seen it many time on other bows not
related to anyone I have had a hand in teaching or equipping.
The know will work well on almost any kind of bow, I have used them on
recurves and longbows and flat bows, I will not work well on a mongol style
bow with siyah's though.
A good link for a boyers knot is....
From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of logantheboweyder
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Bowyer's knot frequency
In Calontir, I see most often flemish twisted bowstring ends on both
sides, and less often but still frequently an endless string. It is
rare that I see a bowyer's knot, don't use it myself, and as a
marshall would question the archer if one took it to the line. (Please
note I said question, not reject it out of hand).
How often is it seen in other kingdoms?
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