Re: [SCA-Archery] RE: Mary Rose
>Roger that. I manufacture and sell a fencing hilt based on the Mary
>Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
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>At 08:41 AM 9/4/2007, you wrote:
>One of my favorite spots there Cain..... ;)
>Last time I was there, they only had 3 bows, sort of mounted on a wall,
>that you could try to pull. The heaviest not being close to 85... more
>like 55. Cool that they have a heavier bow there now.
>Most museums won't let you take pictures, but at the time I was there,
>they let me take all I wanted... sans the flash.
>What a lot of people don't realize, is that it wasn't only archery
>equipment that was brought up from the MR: plates, mugs, clothing,
>devices, firearms.... etc, all were kept in great shape as the archery
>tackle was, and is on display a well.
>I need to go back again... soon. :)
>(lincoln green with envy ;)
- On Tuesday 04 September 2007, THL Cain Saethydd wrote:
> I am on an excursion in Drachenvald. Yes, got lots of Pics. EvenI also made my way to the Mary Rose exhibit last Friday while I was in
> some from the Mary Rose. Found out Sir Robert Hardy is still alive,
> so am going to try to contact him and setup for a hands on sometime
> this next year. I was offered one several years ago, but could not
> get over here.
Drachenwald. It's an incredible place. I spent 3+ hours wandering through
it and watching the video, and another half hour looking at the actual ship.
> By the way, notes on the bows and arrows of the Mary Rose.As a fairly new archer (and not a bowyer) I lack the skill to make detailed
> 1- Many of the war arrows were cut/planed with perpindicular grain,
> but had in appearance similar grain patterns we find with common wood
> shafts today. All of the arrows on display did show signs of
> 2- Some of the war bows (yew) had sapwood backing, some did not.
> Some were horizontaly aligned grain (normal way), while some were
> biased (angle) and others were perpindicular grained. Sir Robert goes
> into detail on this in his book 'Longbow', but still was nice to see
> it. All of the bows on display did show signs horn nocks.
analysis of the bows and arrows I saw. But I do have a few observations...
What struck me most was the shape of the bows. They all had a dramatic taper
to a fairly sharp point. Their shape made me think of a double-ended spear,
though with a varying curve. I presume this makes for a faster release since
the tips have so little mass.
Conversely the center of most of the bows are almost circular and very thick.
Many of them have a diameter of 2 inches or more.
> They had a display yew war bow of considerable size, available forThe test bows were solidly clamped to a wall at their center, with a test
> anyone to test their mettle. The challenge was issued to draw it to
> the ear. I did just that. I did not attempt a second draw, but did
> not cry out in pain, either. This was on friday, I still feel my back
> out of place today, Tuesday. However, for anyone who reads the study
> on the bows of the Mary Rose, you will find that the average draw
> weight was not even close to 180lbs, more like 80 to 100lbs. This bow
> was approximately 85 by my estimate, but the great length of the
> limbs could easily have thrown my estimate low by 20 lbs.
arrow permanently nocked and extending through the wall. This arrow had a
stop at what was problably 27-28 inches. They had a child's bow, a "lady's"
bow at probably 40 pounds, and a full bow that I would estimate at 80-85
pounds, though one of the staff assured me it measures 75.
I drew the full bow to its stop probably half a dozen times. It was awkward
being attached to the wall, plus its full draw is 1-2 inches less than what
is comfortable for me. Today (two days later) I have a slightly sore
shoulder from the effort.
The staffer also said of the actual bows from the Mary Rose, they estimate a
range of 80-160 pounds draw weight, though he did not give any indication of
how many at each weight.