RE: [SCA-Archery] OPINIONS AND ADVICE NEEDED
- When I was Master of Archers, if I were to hear a report of action
like that from one of my marshals they would have a lot of explaining
to do as to why they should keep their warrant. I am sure my
successor feels the same.
At 08:03 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
>What I want to know, is why we don't have more rational and reasonable
>people like you in the SCA. Several years ago I drove out to the Cleveland
>Archery Club range in the Metro Park. This is a facility maintained by the
>Cleveland Archery Club on land owned by the park, and is therefore open to
>the general public. I had been shooting for about a half hour at a target
>I had brought when two carloads of SCA archers arrived. They pinned a
>target to the butt next to the one I was using and the marshal they had
>brought along began inspecting equipment. She then came over to me and
>asked to see my bow. I told her I didn't plan to shoot any sort of royal
>rounds and therefore didn't require an inspection. She gave me a hard time
>and I told her that 1) I was shooting at my own target on a public range
>and not one set up by her. 2) This was not an SCA event and she had no
>authority. 3) I was a paid member of the Cleveland Archery Club and she
>and the rest of her crew were not, and if she persisted in bothering me I'd
>call the rangers.
>Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
> > At 05:38 PM 9/15/2006, you wrote:
> >Some people get so upset by anything that is different than what they know,
> >they don't know how to handle it. What Laurens did was the only reasonable
> >response, and anything more extreme is just silly and inconsiderate, and
> >quite frankly, a little bit snobbish.
> >This archer's style, while unorthadox, "worked for him" - which I interprit
> >to mean he was actually shooting at the target, and possibly had some
> >experience. To assume the person would shoot wild seems a bit extreme if the
> >person already learned to compensate for that.
> >Just this past Sunday at the public archery range near my home, someone -
> >one of the bowhunters there practicing - decided to walk up to me and
> >correct my form. He started telling me that what I was doing wrong was not
> >anchering on my face. I politely asked him just how long he has been
> >studying Mongol archery and he responded with an "oh", lowered his head and
> >walked away. The look on his face clearly showed he realized how rediculous
> >he sounded by throwing his opinion at me without knowing anything about what
> >I was doing.
> >When I switched from European 3 finger draw to a Mongol thumb draw, my
> >arrows flew off to the right as well. The reason is that when a person
> >learns to shoot European, they acquire a habit of moving the bow as they
> >fire the arrow. Most archers have no idea they do this. When you shoot on
> >the left, it moves the bow out of the way of the arrow. But when they arrow
> >is on the right side, this movement interferes with the flight of the arrow
> >and moves it to the right. I learned to compensate for this with how I hold
> >the bow as part of learning the Mongol draw. If this person originally
> >learned with putting the arrow on the right, then he never developed this
> >habit which would have the arrows go off to the right. If this is the case,
> >then he is most likely perfectly safe.
> >As for any any possibly damage to person or equipment, I don't see that as
> >likely. Not any more than the normal shooting you are used to. If the
> >equipment has no cutout for an arrow rest, then it can easily be fired on
> >either side, and this would not change anything on the arm or shoulder
> >drawing the bow. How the arm changes for holding the bow would match a
> >Mongol draw. Should be no harm in what he is doing for him or the equipment
> >- assuming the other things he is doing, such as posture or letting up on
> >the string, are all normal.
> >Don't run and tell on him to some authority figure that he is unsafe knowing
> >nothing about him or his shooting. You'll only make a fool of yourself and
> >unnecessarily bother the person in question for no reason. If you do want to
> >do something, offer to be his teacher in traditional shooting - he may never
> >of had one and be real appreciative, or just not interested. I wouldn't try
> >to have the person removed from the field simply because he did not want
> >your advice, clearly the marshal in charge did not see any danger at the
> >time. Oh - If you do get him to switch, be wary of arrows flying off to the
> >left at first, or falling off his bow when he draws the arrow.
> >The big question would be to ask what his experience is. If he is a well
> >practiced archer, then there is nothing to say or do that would not be
> >offensive. If he is brand new, then there is probably a real safety concern
> >as Master Andras has suggested. If he is somewhere in between, then well,
> >you saw him shoot - did it work for him?
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