RE: [SCA-Archery] Re: Into the fray
- Actually, south Welsh has been experiencing a renaissance over the past
few decades. North Welsh is still the first language learned by many in
the, well, north, of course. English is taught in the schools, but the
language remains well alive in the rural communities.
Os treisiodd y gelyn fy ngwlad dan ei droed,
Mae hen iaith y Cymry mor fyw ag erioed,
Ni luddiwyd yr awen gan erchyll law brad,
Na thelyn berseiniol fy ngwlad.
Gwlad, Gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad,
Tra môr yn fur i'r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i'r heniaith barhau.
[rough English translation
Though the enemy has trampled my country underfoot,
The old language of the Welsh knows no retreat,
The treacherous hand has not hindered the spirit Nor has it silenced the
sweet harp of my land.
Land! Land! I am true to my land!
As long as the see serves as a wall for this pure, dear land
May the language endure for ever.
Y Ddraig Goch ddyrry cychwyn!
P.S. The popularity of JRR Tolkiens Sindarin language, resulting from the
success of the LotR movies, also gave Welsh a boost, as JRRT used Welsh as
the structural basis for that common language of the Elves.
From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John edgerton
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Into the fray
In English, so it will be understandable without need for translation.
If in Welsh, then even the Welsh could not understand it. ;-)
Although I did read that they are trying to reintroduce the language.
On Monday, September 4, 2006, at 11:05 AM, Godwin FitzGilbert de
> For an archery coin, we need to look for incorporation, and not[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Jon, did you ask about language? I can't remember..... was the motto
> going to be in Latin?......
> or Welsh... ;)
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- Hmmm... Must make a few comments based of recent research.
> Marcus offered,In Medieval Chinese armies, it was the exact opposite of this situation.
> "Although there is room for arguement, I have the perspective
> that Archors are for Artillery (i.e. Raining Death) and
> Crossbowmen are more for direct fire (i.e. Sniping).
> Crossbow bolts tend to shoot straighter and penetrate
> better than arrows. So coming up with a motto that implies
> these Crossbow traits would be better suited in my mind."
Archers were highly skilled and in training year round. Crossbows were used
for feudal levies with little training as it took less time to get them to
combat effectiveness. Rows of crossbowmen were used to attrition enemy lines
while the more skilled archers used their bows to snipe any troops that were
getting through the hail of bolts.
> ...They didTrue, the Mongols did use arrow fire in both direct sniping and in an
> not use siege tactics until learned from Europeans, and then
> proved effective in using gleaned arrows of any length and strength.
artillery like manner. Mongol troops were mobile and often used both these
and other styles of archery fire in a single battle.
But make no mistake about the effectiveness of siege weapons in the Mongol
war machine. Mongols were laying siege to Chinese and Middle Eastern cities
long before they even heard of Europe. They developed their own tactics and
incorporated knowledge and technology whenever they could, even what little
Europe had to offer. Mongols took the siege equipment and weapons they found
along the way, enhanced them, and developed new tactical uses. Mongols
invented the cannon. Mongols invented many open field uses of siege weapons
that are still in use today including rolling barrages.
Many tactics used in SCA battles are modern, not Medieval, except that some
of them are derived from tacticians who studied Mongol warfare and gave them
their own names: 3 prong attack, blitzkrieg...
The Devil's Horsemen, by James Chambers
Subotai the Valiant, by Richard A. Gabriel
Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World, by Jack Weatherford
Chinese Archery, by Stephen Selby
Khan of the Silver Horde
* New expanded inventory *