Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Archery Proposal
- It is true that this has been expressed as a balancing factor. It is
also true that it is often expressed in a manner which can easily
lead someone to believe that this is the reason they were
introduced. Unless historical perspective is presented, the true
nature of an event, activity, or attribute can easily be distorted.
Take, for instance, the term "Dark Ages". Many believe that this
term refers to the lack of culture and learning of the
post-Roman/pre-Medieval era (what often has been called the Viking
age or the Migration era). This term was coined by Victorian
scholars not for that reason but rather because of the lack of
documentation and information known about the period. As more and
more knowledge was obtained and documents unearthed, that era became
smaller and smaller until it is virtually non-existent today (hence
the alternative terms I listed above).
I post this for historical reference only, not criticism.
At 04:04 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote:
>I am not claiming that speed rounds were introduced due to the presence of
>crossbows, only that they have for years been stated to be a means of
>balancing the differences between hand bows and crossbows. A perfect
>example of this is Nigel's earlier message. I remember shooting the
>advancing man at Pennsic One which is a variety of a timed shoot and that
>was well before I ever saw a crossbow at an SCA event. The first crossbow
>to show up at Pennsic, as far as I can remember, was a Whamo at Pennsic three.
>Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)
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- Actually a more accurate term would be timed ends rather than speed
ends. In the RR or IKAC the intent is to get as high a score as
possible in the time given, rather than just getting off as many arrows
as possible. It is better to shoot four and get twenty points, than to
shoot nine and get ten points.
Yes, when shooting into a mass of tightly packed warriors, where most
any arrow will hit someone, plain speed is important. But, in the
instance of less tightly packed targets it is a case of accuracy and
rapid rate of release. When you are trying not to hit a shield or one
of your own men while attempting to get an arrow or bolt into a visor
slot, accuracy is important. And then getting off an other shot as
fast as possible to take out an other opponent, before they kill you or
one of your friends is reason to shoot rapidly and accurately. Aside
from sieges, there were countless small scale engagements, aside from
major battles where a rapid and accurate rate of shooting was
paramount. In the hunt, when beaters are driving herds of deer toward
you, killing as many deer as possible for the larder is also important.
As to period speed ends. Since there is little documentation of just
how period competitions or training were done, it is difficult to
positivity state that they were either used or not used. However, I
do have a copy of a period illustration of a german crossbow
competition showing an hour glass in the foreground. If it was using
for timing the shooting or to indicate when to break for lunch, it is
impossible to say.
On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 06:39 AM, J. Hughes wrote:
> John edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote: I would like to comment
> regarding the RR and IKAC. The speed ends were
> not tacked on later. They were there from the beginning. I wanted the
> competitions to also test the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately
> as would have been needed in combat or in the hunt. And on the RR,
> when I made up the rules for it, I gave little thought to crossbows.
> Is there any evidence of the use of speed rounds in a period archery
> competition or a schutzenfest? While rate of fire is useful when the
> archer is in a defensive position receiving a mounted charge or in an
> archery counter archery role, it is not at all appropriate for the
> sort of warfare in most found in period: siege warfare, when only in a
> storming do you have the target rich environment that rewards speed of
> Charles O'Connor