Re: Archery Proposal
As I am new to the world of target archery and GW was basically my
first event in which I was able to shoot with other archers, both
bow and crossbow, I found it interesting that many of the "prize
shoots" were won by crossbowmen. Given the conversation of
using "modern equipment in a traditional shoot one has to ask
themselves where do we draw the line of technology in a traditiion
Now I will admit the long bow I purchased was not a "stick bow"
but as I am learning one of the reflex/deflex type. Still in the
traditional sense I used instinctive aiming. Only the point of the
arrow and the target for finding the point of release. It just
seemed to me, the newbee, that the crossbowman had the upper hand in
the shoots. Perigrine did have one shoot in which there were no
crossbows allowed and one for the crossbow only.
I guess what I am asking is this, is there a advantage in shoots
in which the crossbow is allowed verses the stick/recurve?? One
thing I did notice was the the crossbowman was able to take more
time in aiming, no string to hold back thus the arm does not get
tired over the long term such as in a RR. This alone to the newbee
is a huge advantage.
Again this is from a newbees eyes and in the long term my vision
may change. Thank you for the discussion and for exchanging your
knowledge of this fine art. Happy shooting!
True Heart, True Aim,
Your in Service,
- Actually a more accurate term would be timed ends rather than speed
ends. In the RR or IKAC the intent is to get as high a score as
possible in the time given, rather than just getting off as many arrows
as possible. It is better to shoot four and get twenty points, than to
shoot nine and get ten points.
Yes, when shooting into a mass of tightly packed warriors, where most
any arrow will hit someone, plain speed is important. But, in the
instance of less tightly packed targets it is a case of accuracy and
rapid rate of release. When you are trying not to hit a shield or one
of your own men while attempting to get an arrow or bolt into a visor
slot, accuracy is important. And then getting off an other shot as
fast as possible to take out an other opponent, before they kill you or
one of your friends is reason to shoot rapidly and accurately. Aside
from sieges, there were countless small scale engagements, aside from
major battles where a rapid and accurate rate of shooting was
paramount. In the hunt, when beaters are driving herds of deer toward
you, killing as many deer as possible for the larder is also important.
As to period speed ends. Since there is little documentation of just
how period competitions or training were done, it is difficult to
positivity state that they were either used or not used. However, I
do have a copy of a period illustration of a german crossbow
competition showing an hour glass in the foreground. If it was using
for timing the shooting or to indicate when to break for lunch, it is
impossible to say.
On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 06:39 AM, J. Hughes wrote:
> John edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote: I would like to comment
> regarding the RR and IKAC. The speed ends were
> not tacked on later. They were there from the beginning. I wanted the
> competitions to also test the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately
> as would have been needed in combat or in the hunt. And on the RR,
> when I made up the rules for it, I gave little thought to crossbows.
> Is there any evidence of the use of speed rounds in a period archery
> competition or a schutzenfest? While rate of fire is useful when the
> archer is in a defensive position receiving a mounted charge or in an
> archery counter archery role, it is not at all appropriate for the
> sort of warfare in most found in period: siege warfare, when only in a
> storming do you have the target rich environment that rewards speed of
> Charles O'Connor