Re: [SCA-Archery] Archery Proposal
- Ahh, yes then. The Cunningham is perfectly fine. I was referring to
> the modified Barnett, which was modified to have a wooden stock, but(sigh) But Siegfried, it DID have a wooden stock to begin with. The present configuration is a different wooden stock, one without a pistol grip, and looks very little like a rifle butt.
> still one that highly resembles a modern rifle stock.
>Agreed, I guess. I certainly hope you don't believe that I'd present either the Cunningham (if it were intact) or the Barnett at a demo and argue that either resemble to one degree or another a Mediaeval bow? At an historical demonstration, we should provide the very best in re-created tackle, and I would never say or do anything different.
> They did not look medieval, they do not help us as an
> educational-nonprofit organization promote medieval archery.
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- Actually a more accurate term would be timed ends rather than speed
ends. In the RR or IKAC the intent is to get as high a score as
possible in the time given, rather than just getting off as many arrows
as possible. It is better to shoot four and get twenty points, than to
shoot nine and get ten points.
Yes, when shooting into a mass of tightly packed warriors, where most
any arrow will hit someone, plain speed is important. But, in the
instance of less tightly packed targets it is a case of accuracy and
rapid rate of release. When you are trying not to hit a shield or one
of your own men while attempting to get an arrow or bolt into a visor
slot, accuracy is important. And then getting off an other shot as
fast as possible to take out an other opponent, before they kill you or
one of your friends is reason to shoot rapidly and accurately. Aside
from sieges, there were countless small scale engagements, aside from
major battles where a rapid and accurate rate of shooting was
paramount. In the hunt, when beaters are driving herds of deer toward
you, killing as many deer as possible for the larder is also important.
As to period speed ends. Since there is little documentation of just
how period competitions or training were done, it is difficult to
positivity state that they were either used or not used. However, I
do have a copy of a period illustration of a german crossbow
competition showing an hour glass in the foreground. If it was using
for timing the shooting or to indicate when to break for lunch, it is
impossible to say.
On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 06:39 AM, J. Hughes wrote:
> John edgerton <sirjon1@...> wrote: I would like to comment
> regarding the RR and IKAC. The speed ends were
> not tacked on later. They were there from the beginning. I wanted the
> competitions to also test the ability to shoot rapidly and accurately
> as would have been needed in combat or in the hunt. And on the RR,
> when I made up the rules for it, I gave little thought to crossbows.
> Is there any evidence of the use of speed rounds in a period archery
> competition or a schutzenfest? While rate of fire is useful when the
> archer is in a defensive position receiving a mounted charge or in an
> archery counter archery role, it is not at all appropriate for the
> sort of warfare in most found in period: siege warfare, when only in a
> storming do you have the target rich environment that rewards speed of
> Charles O'Connor