- On 6/9/05, Bruce R. Gordon <obsidian@...> wrote:
> GreetingsOk Nigel ... Siegfried, the picker apart of rules, has read them, and
> I wish to announce that the Pennsic archery rules and the basic schedule are up on the web at this time - please review them at:
has the following to offer. Note that yes, I'm being picky, and that
yes, I'm probably going to comment on things that have been in the
However, this is the first chance, I believe, that I can remember
getting a chance to read them significantly before Pennsic and
therefore have a decent chance to comment on them:
Ignore comments as you wish"
The following two parts:
> The person using the equipment must be present when that equipment is being inspected, so that it can be determined that the archer is safe with it.and
> Given an inspection failure, you can used borrowed equipment, but bear in mind that that, too, must be inspected in your presence.These directly state that all equipment to be used by person 'X', must
be inspected in the presence of said person who will use them.
This, I do not believe, has been the case in the past. For this means
that, for example, if there is equipment failure and you lose the use
of your bow, and need to borrow one, that said borrowed one, even if
it's already been inspected, now needs reinspected, specific to the
Traditionally bow inspections were independant of the archer. Will
we be putting the archer's medallion number on the sticker this year
to ensure that only that archer can use that bow without a
Also, while the 'one bow one archer' rule has been in place for
competition ... it has not been in place for practice/novelty
shoots/etc. So by these rules as written ... if I want to say: "Hey
Bob, check out this new crossbow that I made, go ahead, fire off a few
rounds." Bob has to walk over to the inspection line first, even
though I just came from it. More extreme examples can be thought of
as well (such as at the Archery Masterworks competition, where bows
are shot by many many people in order to 'test them out'.
>>>>equipment inspected by an archery marshal. To do this, bring your bow,
>> Before you do any shooting, including practice, you must have your
string, and shafts to the tent on the archery range. A clearly marked
portion of the tent will be the inspection area. For your convenience,
we will also be permitting 'in camp' inspections to be performed by
authorized marshals. Please bring the bow to the inspection unstrung.
This allows the marshals to examine it before it is placed under
stress. The marshal will guide you through the inspection process and
if your equipment is satisfactory, they will place a sticker on your
>>>>Ok, this section now states that all bows must be inspected, no matter
what, and defines that said inspection includes a sticker.
Will stickers be made available from day 0 of the range being setup
for practice purposes? And available after/before normal shooting
hours as well? In the past, during these times, stickers have not
been available, and we have allowed 'on the spot' inspections, that
were good just for that bit of shooting.
>>>>the shaft must be matched both for bow poundage and draw-length.
>>For arrows, nocks may be of any safe material, and note please that
>>>>Having a statement requiring that the shaft be matched. How matched?
I've been known for example, regularly lately to be shooting some
massively heavy, spined for like 45# arrows, out of a 25# bow. Why?
It's what I had laying around. Similarly with length ... matched to
draw-length implies 'fits well', when longer is safe.
Also, these are things that really a marshal cannot easily check.
Perhaps this line should just state: 'Shaft should be strong enough
for the bow, and long enough for the archer's draw-length"?
>>>>found unattended on the range risk loss of range access for them and
>>Parents/legal guardians of minors (i.e. gentles under the age of 18)
their children for the balance of the War.
>>>>I just wish to point out that this rule, as stated, may upset a number
of people. Pennsic rules allow for those 13 and older to go free
without adult supervision:
Therefore this rule, does differ from the Pennsic rule. Just noting
that. Also noting that this means that a 17yr old. Old enough to
drive a vehicle, old enough to go around Pennsic by themselves, is not
old enough to be at the archery range without their parents.
>>>>Some warpoint shooting after if time allows.
>>Mon Aug. 15 Championship competition: 10 am - 2 or 3 pm.
>>>>Is it really, realistic, to think of offering warpoint shooting
afterwards? Traditionally the championship goes far later than 2 or
3pm ... and even then, by the time things are taken down enough that
the range could be reset up, it's going to be later in the evening
Plus, no archer will actually KNOW when the championship would in fact
end, or when/if warpoints would be available anyway, and therefore I
don't see anyone trying to make it up the hill on the 'chance'.
It would seem more realisitic to just state that the range is
completely closed that day.
Ok, that's it ...
THL Siegfried Sebastian Faust http://crossbows.biz/
Barony of Highland Foorde Baronial Web Minister & Archery Marshal
Kingdom of Atlantia Deputy Kingdom Earl Marshal for Target Archery
- Siegfried is 100% correct.
>This is even more ridiculous when it comes to crossbows since there is no
> > http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn34/MARTIAL/archery.html
> > The person using the equipment must be present when that equipment is
> being inspected, so that it can be determined that the archer is safe with it.
> > Given an inspection failure, you can used borrowed equipment, but bear
> in mind that that, too, must be inspected in your presence
draw length issue. If a person is too weak to span my crossbow, then they
won't be able to shoot it, but this can't be determined at the inspection
table since we are not required to span crossbows during inspection for
good reason. So this puts us in the position of having to go back to the
inspection table every time someone wants to try out my crossbow to ask
permission. "Can I please let Li Kung Lo try my crossbow?"
>This, I do not believe, has been the case in the past. For this meansIn the past I simply carried a half dozen loaner bows with me when I went
>that, for example, if there is equipment failure and you lose the use
>of your bow, and need to borrow one, that said borrowed one, even if
>it's already been inspected, now needs reinspected, specific to the
>Traditionally bow inspections were independant of the archer. Will
>we be putting the archer's medallion number on the sticker this year
>to ensure that only that archer can use that bow without a
up to the range for the first time. Then when I'd bring someone to the
range who had never shot before I'd let them try out a few bows until they
found one they could draw comfortably and shoot comfortably. Last year I
paid 9 mercenary archers to shoot for me for populace points. Several of
them had never touched a bow before and didn't know what they could
handle. For this reason I have bows from 25# to 45# on hand. By the rule
as written we'd have to head back to the inspection table several times.
>Also, while the 'one bow one archer' rule has been in place forContrary to common opinion, the one bow rule was never intended to apply to
>competition ... it has not been in place for practice/novelty
anything but the advancing man shoot. Some stupid piece of shit who didn't
know what he (or she) was doing, changed the wording of the rule sometime
in the past so that it no longer made sense. So this should not even be an
issue. I don't believe that the inspection should concern itself with
anything but the condition of the equipment at the time at which it is
first brought to the range. It's up to the line marshals and the archers
themselves to keep an eye on the performance of the system
(archer+bow+arrows) on the line over time.
>Jim Koch (Gladius The Alchemist)