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Re: [SCA-Archery] The Crossbow

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  • Carolus von Eulenhorst
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    Message 1 of 9 , May 17, 2005
      Congratulations on the receipt of your work. Please keep us informed as to
      how to obtain copies.
      Carolus

      At 06:21 AM 5/17/2005, you wrote:

      >At the Kalamazoo International Congress on Medieval
      >History, last week, I gave a major paper on Payne
      >Gallway and the crossbow. He got it wrong, massively,
      >on the military and social history of the weapon. The
      >paper was very well received by a group of historians
      >that included some of the very top of the profession.
      >Kelly DeVries, the editor of the Journal of Medieval
      >Military History, asked me to forward him a copy of
      >the paper for publication in that journal. I hope the
      >article will appear by the end of the year.
      >
      >My paper pointed out that Payne Gallway published his
      >work in 1903 (do not be fooled by reprint dates), and
      >was a 19th century style, English, jingoist,
      >antiquarian that was apologizing for discussing such
      >an "un-English" weapon as the crossbow. I pointed out
      >that we were well overdue for a book that did not try
      >to revise the technological discussion (Alm and
      >Harmuth did that), but made an attempt to set the
      >military and social use of the weapon into context.
      >
      >Boydell and Brewer's representative asked me to
      >present them with a book proposal for a survey history
      >of the crossbow. I am aiming for something along the
      >lines of Bradbury's Medieval Archer (but with
      >footnotes). There is too much mythology out not to
      >need more of the facts elucidated.
      >
      >Charles O'Connor
      >--- "Scott B. Jaqua" <hagerson@...> wrote:
      > > Can't say I've seen one. But it would be pretty
      > > long. Don't get me
      > > wrong. In it's day Payne-Gallwey's book had it's
      > > place. But he suffered
      > > from being very much a Victorian Scholar.
      > >
      > > It was mostly the Line about Hastings being where
      > > the Crossbow was
      > > introduced, that set me off.
      > >
      > > Payne Gallwey was in error on his history. But that
      > > is in part because
      > > of the work done in the field at the time.
      > >
      > > He over romanticized the Greeks and Romans, but all
      > > Victorian Scholars
      > > did that.
      > >
      > > He was wrong on the performance of the bows. From a
      > > lack of real testing
      > > or observation.
      > >
      > > And he go the internal mechanisms wrong.
      > >
      > > But the biggest problem is in the attitude. The
      > > Victorians tended to
      > > engage in research as an exercise in pure thought.
      > > It was like they felt
      > > doing actual observation would corrupt the observer.
      > >
      > > Njall
      > >
      > > >Yeah so Payne-Gallwey is not the best source
      > > available but he was not
      > > >entirely wrong and it is what is generally
      > > available.
      > > >
      > > >The important part is that our sport gets some
      > > attention, and the
      > > >article is largely true.
      > > >
      > > >Does anyone have a concise list of all of
      > > Payne-Gallwey's mistakes? (or
      > > >even a partial list)
      > > >
      > > >Regards,
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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