Re: [SCA-Archery] comment on quivers
- --- Scott Jaqua <jaqua@...> wrote:
>If you are considering it to be accurate for the period they are painting,
> What bothers me most about this thread is the treatment of historic art
> as documentation. In some respects folks have it backwards.
> One reference I have heard is that the painting of court ladies hunting
> is in fact the painting of a mythical figure, Diana. And as such it can
> not be used to say what type of quiver was in use at a certain point in
> This is in fact the wrong way around. The painting is secondary evidence
> of what existed at the time the painter applied brush to canvas. It is
> far more common for period artists to dress their subjects in the
> fashion of the artists period, not the subjects period.
and I tend to agree with you on that, wouldn't you then consider it a
I learned that a primary source is someone from the period in question
writing or painting what they see.
The secondary source would be someone writing or painting from other
sources which actually saw the event.
The tertiary source would be someone summarizing from the secondary
sources, so they are going through 2 previous iterations.
The only place I might disagree with your theory is in the case of a
picture of an obviously mythical creature like the centaur, or certain
religious personna who are almost always portrayed in archaic clothing for
the painter's time. For instance, the Virgin Mary, is almost always shown
in a loose tunic with a dark blue mantle even when the people in the
foreground are dressed as contemporaries of the painter. So in the case of
a donor painting the main religious scene is dressed in what the artist
thought they wore back then, but the donors themselves are dressed in what
the artist can see now.
I have noticed that the pictures of St. Sebastian almost always show the
saint in nothing but the loin cloth thingy he was supposedly wearing, but
the archers filling him with holes are usually dressed appropriately for
the painters era.
>Anyway, it isn't like we have any other form of documentation. No actually
> Therefore while details of things like straps may be wrong. In general
> art work can be used to document what was the period style, at the time
> the art was created.
quivers, and no written words from the early periods.
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