Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: Netting
- This is the first I have heard of such a thing. Any references, how
about time and culture?
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:53:37 -0000 "Kinjal of Moravia"
> --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "jameswolfden"________________________________________________________________
> <jameswolfden@y...> wrote:
> > --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Kinjal of Moravia"
> > <gusarimagic@r...> wrote:
> > > Apparently the 'swing effect' is
> > > more important than material. Besides this looks just like
> > wash
> > > hung out to dry.
> > >
> > > Perhaps the Mongolian archer use of silk for armor was more
> > > effective that we believe.
> > >
> > > kinjal
> > Not if the "swing effect" is the most important aspect. The body
> > the archer would prevent the swing effect.
> > My understanding is that the silk was worn next to the skin but
> > that armor was still worn. This might be either lacquered leather
> > or iron plates depending on what part of the cavalry the archer
> > was part of. The silk was supposed to minimize the damage
> > caused by any arrows that got through the armor.
> > James Wolfden
> Of course. Yet I also wonder if the "belief that arrows would not
> kill them" (arrows could be easily removed without festering
> also provided an 'armor' of sorts.
> In a similar vein, I have come accross allusive references to a
> cloak worn by ancient archers. It was attached to the left wrist
> such that it hung down from the bow hand to form a 'shield'. The
> outside (enemy view) was patterned to give a false impression as to
> the archer's form, while the inside (friendly view) was colored for
> identification and protection from 'friendly fire'. Now I wonder if
> the loose hanging drape might not have provided some actual physical
> protection as well. I will have to experiment, and will certainly
> make one to add to my garb.
> any help here from myth or stories??
> here is an excerpt from a ballad including the idea....
> "The Talon of Styria" (stair-ee-ah)
> All dread whispered him the Talon the Talon of Styria
> None knew from whixt he faire came none dare ask of his
> Strong bound left arm was never seen for his cloak fastened
> the wrist
> To a gauntlet set with razor teeth and a flail of leather and
> No coward ever saw sword and lived his long reach hand was
> never still.
> Raven locks were woven with feathers but scarce hid quivered
> arrows true.
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- --- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, John edgerton <sirjon1@p...>
> The comment about being in constant motion, like giant birds.Makes me
> think the cloak was attached to both wrists. That would give abird or
> bat wing appearance and would also provide protection from bothsides.
Perhaps, but a regular style half-circle doesn't work. I have been
playing with some other styles (you probably guessed that)and have a
prototype that seems to work - even found some material that sorta
looks like feathers. I'll keep you posted off-line, or here if
anyone else in interested. Actually it will be cool and servicable
even if you are not an archer. And it will be semi-perod, being a
modified Gallic Coat.